[Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Dave Taht]

while they backported wireguard, I don't think they backported AQL
with the ath10k fixes. Sigh. Still, I have long tired of keeping 18.x
running or the 9 month experimental releases, and have been
considering switching to debian or arch or fedora... I was
disappointed to discover recently debian 10 and armbian are still
running pfifo_fast. Sure hope this is a good release....

https://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-20-04-arrives-with-linux-5-4-kernel-and-wireguard-vpn/

one of the really fun things about the torrent version of this
download is that I watch bittorrent *just fly* even with 50
connections open... cake just shrugs it off. seeding dozens of other
folk, doesn't hurt...

-- 
Make Music, Not War

Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729

Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Matt Taggart]

On 4/23/20 2:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
> while they backported wireguard, I don't think they backported AQL
> with the ath10k fixes. Sigh. Still, I have long tired of keeping 18.x
> running or the 9 month experimental releases, and have been
> considering switching to debian or arch or fedora... I was
> disappointed to discover recently debian 10 and armbian are still
> running pfifo_fast.

Oh no! I swear I thought I filed a bug for that... I just found an 
existing request and mailed an update to it

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34

If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other 
defaults) please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!

Thanks,

-- 
Matt Taggart
matt@lackof.org

Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Hagen Paul Pfeifer]

* Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]:

>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
>
>If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other defaults)
>please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!

+1

Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give your
comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit pressure
here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! ;-)

I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be the
perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think we
should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian already know
what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user (Laptop,
Desktop).

hgn

Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Sebastian Moeller]

Dear all,


> On Apr 24, 2020, at 07:49, Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net> wrote:
> 
> * Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]:
> 
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
>> 
>> If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other defaults)
>> please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!
> 
> +1
> 
> Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give your
> comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit pressure
> here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! ;-)
> 
> I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be the
> perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think we

	So pfifo_fast employs a static precedence system in which high priority traffic can completely starve lower priority traffic, that is the opposite of safe, by virtue of that feature alone pfifo_fast should be relegated to those specific cases where such behaviour is desired instead of foring it upon the unwashed and enexpecting messes, no?

Best Regards
	Sebastian



> should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian already know
> what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user (Laptop,
> Desktop).
> 
> hgn
> 
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Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Dave Taht]

I added my comments to the bug.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:50 AM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 2020, at 07:49, Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net> wrote:
> >
> > * Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]:
> >
> >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
> >>
> >> If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other defaults)
> >> please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give your
> > comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit pressure
> > here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! ;-)
> >
> > I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be the
> > perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think we
>
>         So pfifo_fast employs a static precedence system in which high priority traffic can completely starve lower priority traffic, that is the opposite of safe, by virtue of that feature alone pfifo_fast should be relegated to those specific cases where such behaviour is desired instead of foring it upon the unwashed and enexpecting messes, no?
>
> Best Regards
>         Sebastian
>
>
>
> > should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian already know
> > what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user (Laptop,
> > Desktop).
> >
> > hgn
> >
> >
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Tel: 1-831-435-0729

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] ubuntu 20.4 is out

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Tried upgrading a VM (from 18.04) through the do-release-upgrade script.
It has a rather amusing notion of what constitutes a helpful prediction
of download times (the VM is on a 10g link):

> You have to download a total of 354 M. This download will take about
> 45 minutes with a 1Mbit DSL connection and about 13 hours with a 56k
> modem.

-Toke