From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE8BE3B29E for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id SMYEjC7NJVdWbSN7SjN3fp; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:53:30 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1587830010; bh=+HmaKwEhsYVxlLXQ+Zk1YipDY4mDpNfKEXwvL17p0ik=; h=Received:Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PuVYQfDoHjLgGFIZZzRfkhO/6WCAGoZtLOOjvVQ4HL/6SeDG9OTHaj8N1ME4atz8R OiFdesCMAgkOfVLV/CjbaUv+KCXP/RaCo49zz8EkeJ8+1eQFxUhOnD3q1+jFkXHtbC Zoge10/L0OP4BmJi7evwGuIc/r8F5uhVbl564Pf/HLwUgLYNzT4btNeksj99NlBjcp 7xMsKCCFzDUdoeADjDnE9zStYL9W6wG8zhF51pcfmFvGFQTMMC5waeJ7KaXET6mS0P tevDleAfeuXWfyC9ok9qIIOhMK0gypxSBoKx+rDhDYof5Q8u91sMlaDC2gV1dH4MeJ 74UuyvDgpB2vQ== Received: from home.sewingwitch.com ([73.222.21.63]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id SN7RjOUFSATVnSN7RjELeu; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:53:30 +0000 X-Xfinity-VAAS: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrheeggdejvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucevohhmtggrshhtqdftvghsihdpqfgfvfdppffquffrtefokffrnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepmfgvnhhnvghthhcurfhorhhtvghruceoshhhihhvrgesshgvfihinhhgfihithgthhdrtghomheqnecukfhppeejfedrvddvvddrvddurdeifeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopehhohhmvgdrshgvfihinhhgfihithgthhdrtghomhdpihhnvghtpeejfedrvddvvddrvddurdeifedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehshhhivhgrsehsvgifihhnghifihhttghhrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepsghlohgrtheslhhishhtshdrsghufhhfvghrsghlohgrthdrnhgvth X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0.00;st=legit Received: from [10.96.7.39] ([10.96.7.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by home.sewingwitch.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 03PFqO3n027648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:52:24 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 home.sewingwitch.com 03PFqO3n027648 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sewingwitch.com; s=default; t=1587829945; bh=+HmaKwEhsYVxlLXQ+Zk1YipDY4mDpNfKEXwvL17p0ik=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=WWWYeV+pPIJKE4tjX0UshfQsF3mKK9uchR9Jt6fNKiedKEFgnYdUCDitdkW9o9kzn BDV+hTggYFXqZaKCPJwGD9IXQ9qY3dwMl4CB+ynjoB5fwYMX5L8QRYpVTZEUIGC7JW 5mY/SDj6PaPcCDmAToOoWihiIIjq5qZ3fZvqcxCs= To: bloat References: <431A84397F3D9C1EB097BCCE@[172.27.17.193]> <6F1F3C646A7DFD2CC8C9E79E@172.27.17.193> <0B51625096F92AF18CD397D9@[172.27.17.193]> <8f4566dd-def0-cd97-45db-577784f90efd@sewingwitch.com> <9FDDBB5C-68CF-45B1-85D8-3A7BD6CB9F31@gmail.com> <3D2F4A70BAB1774D1EFDC641@[172.27.17.193]> <025E1E0E1D49D3C95FFD4035@[172.27.17.193]> <03E39523-C125-4A03-A514-30CA4E361225@gmail.com> From: Kenneth Porter Message-ID: <5a5e8533-bce0-5570-b3e9-922a00f21bbe@sewingwitch.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:52:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.96.0.132 Subject: Re: [Bloat] this explains speedtest stuff X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:53:31 -0000 On 4/25/2020 8:32 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > It would be a useful test for an intrepid windows administrator to > actually enable ecn fully and see what breaks in their > vpn, smb, and rdp implementations, and across their remote workforce, > and observe any difference in QoE. I have long > tried to get one drunk enough to deploy ecn across their windows > infrastructure without any success. I can easily do it for myself, now that I know where that setting hides. Is there reason to make others do it or is it sufficient that I be the only guinea pig here? > since (I think?) the proposed vpn traffic is client -> server (?) not, > clients -> router -> server, each individual using this link > over the vpn will tend to get their own queue, and a big upload or > download through their openvpn will tend to "do them in", > because openvpn has lousy queue management internally... and (when > last I looked), windows itself had not a lot of backpressure when > dealing with that device. I'm using openvpn to avoid exposing raw RDP servers to the Internet. I still don't trust MS enough to allow a Windows box directly connected to the Internet. So it's Win10(@home) -> openvpn(client on Win10 @home) ->openvpn(Linux router @office)->Win10(@office). I think another user may use RDP's file transfer capabilities, but I personally use a separate ssh (scp) connection for that. I have no problem with command lines.