From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52f.google.com (mail-pg1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B85C3BA8E for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id s7-v6so5691051pgc.0 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c+1fdPvFlAnARy2dHcmk1PGtScQD5B79IowlmN9YzLc=; b=AT3sSpsuUEe/LGBNvNDEKskGQWbwTw65uQZFhnhUrc8+ejgKeIxdksiKJtk/3XWIU3 HRlxczw4lnCcpk4JHu6sowQPmaTDyFUFtct8K+eh0yhiAU3ksTJSTiXMRjKMRNK8SABO 4mSR/qy7Ht9/uNUuee0Fnay57tjcGSwv+4NhMFquo/eYZzLXueiiL0L5KaBtk5EE6hiD CxonvpI1s0xPqjT4VnqxUtqnHm1UH+tX3NXLqf53VVN0g6UVmyaTHqRHO8fgNkSgojVH FgvEY5qP7Wpez3RdzW/0RtSk+zpxO9lSuS3pDAjbO1/iwmuxU/QJbMqsy3zf5iO3kDQn 6cVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c+1fdPvFlAnARy2dHcmk1PGtScQD5B79IowlmN9YzLc=; b=cqH47BD2jJxyl88+r5lTSa4irHjcGpGn/wXXOJdqs4Sbj3KXPaUlOkYuzjSpeaLsKP idd1Vuzm3l4OY3mX7r7yoZzaK0swRW6Mi0fYzup5NjRKYSYC4hiSjOrFm8zI5clgF9u0 UyxexvdfWliUa1y0I/Y/SlkigDPastDwOJjSBINLpLuwmgAsSY2sCKG7/0CiK7VrXPmF QMdT+Q2Angc9TAbOImlqojTjPCEgcTP0kRkDuuLdWxSvQjB9N8loI28KLMqEIH1BVD2I pLhh/Jl01myii5m6hYipIkBgsROZMiog0dqBLE1rtDddcaqRFSBw7p+mEbHYg57rCqSV xUfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CThBgeRLRoBpf9Gv1YnyH7zk9Rz2ymM1lwtuERNfltjuqnB/2H W/tTySe0p9fXJyozBOyIR1G3unK+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdaBBzSvd9OUM5rnmLSbfVsWtrL8l2VUShozrmarfw+CL3X3OQyxs0WxciPumZfM5/Icm2Y4ug== X-Received: by 2002:a62:3a08:: with SMTP id h8-v6mr4327159pfa.61.1536259489128; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zotac.xperim.be (46.25-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be. [81.240.25.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o197-v6sm9715263pfg.51.2018.09.06.11.44.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Sep 2018 11:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68199492FF5; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 20:44:41 +0200 (CEST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <1535286372.35121837@apps.rackspace.com> <2282D31E-CBEF-4B42-A6A6-4D6394EE0DF7@gmail.com> From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <5bce4ea4-0e0f-189d-f5c3-044751464e9e@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 20:44:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] closing up my make-wifi-fast lab X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:44:50 -0000 On 30/08/18 22:36, bkil wrote: > 1b. > Let's assume that we are a good citizen using more expensive highly > directional antennae and we live at the perimeter. Considering that For some reason I only received this today. Your points about the use of directional antennas should be mitigated, at least to some degree, by the use of MIMO (for decent values of "massive").