From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x732.google.com (mail-qk1-x732.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::732]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1208B3CB3F for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 11:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x732.google.com with SMTP id s14so16474432qkm.4 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=NhY5EdOHLxD5DB/doz2X/d6zh0mNiQTjGS8SdN22kKQ=; b=ZXJ+ZQbUDyOmLIAjQAGDoL3D/Nm3UCz3UjYu7Vqcvug8RVlUwPvaMBWwYyXySKzZL+ goWMct8UG5I2yheV2XCc1kI/EnsHVVQ49DVbiNzvYq58IPn2cI1L1EER6BJXJ8YXMIgs tF/uHy2s+PxbxVZlrvLojvyXRoW4idWGvtrKv7W07ynCvUhfgyJZ4Po2Old1CdMDkBT0 hoMYmGBqnX5jmKybUxsspn2z+1TmN4J+6Bvk54/nnnl8AVM+ks2iLN2OxhroZCYXhPMl qRA1y54hFZoINP/j1VU/nsuiJjcxkrbEH9nN59c57TKoCzaOgI8ycNeVRCWynbG+4l8H vdWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=NhY5EdOHLxD5DB/doz2X/d6zh0mNiQTjGS8SdN22kKQ=; b=aVVVNDO5VXgvyd12koXFkiOKLDgA6UTkMzGzw0UXoXpIOE8w0If1hHkkNZ4w72/i5n Khwyk2RIn3dj4wZGa54migFWvGOuNjXANadHvRprCYUqD2M4YCQUHs0O9Oh560frTQvp n3c6F1utQU2D0xqHG9g74zwx/hbm9chOQgkBXA3MA57CE1iUuS14ORdmUj4zYFIZDBsC BKCGwaiQSV5l5vsSu3e/1vNeYaiwqbJ3ndudXQucny8rEanp15NmFSrhpg3jXaFiwe2I CHdgrOSXjro4W2i92BFl7Vu8Ff9MGf9bX8j4bKrN62rFUiwytWbSqaXB+TAQGHfXsLfO EEBw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWkfizQtGsCSTMd0Kr6EeRgeizXXvnWRq7biyHQxTtmG+iSEX+o mKTgUPObo6DMWvVlBuOO5B1OyxW0CO4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzKN1wG95HZeqj8+Ee6v41MBpQ2w51paU9bJywFbpMxtuXjP3kADCac3iFVkFKAE9MM2y+GkA== X-Received: by 2002:a37:313:: with SMTP id 19mr17601952qkd.356.1567526246968; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-10337.lan ([64.223.232.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f144sm8469143qke.132.2019.09.03.08.57.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <614481A6-1C07-4C6A-AB86-10A6DEF1B5D2@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 11:57:25 -0400 To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Rigorous Coffee Shop Bloat Testing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:57:28 -0000 > On Sep 3, 2019, at 11:22 AM, bloat-request@lists.bufferbloat.net = wrote: >=20 > The coffee shop tests were fun, but I(we) needed more rigor when doing > them. What I'd typically do is go in, > get on the wifi, start 6 minutes worth of tests, get in line, get > coffee... OK. I'll bite. What "six minutes of tests" do you queue up? What do you = record? And how do you broach the subject with the owner? Something like... "Uh, I think I know why all those heads are popping up..." OR=20 "This is a nice network you have here. It'd be a shame if something = happened to it..." OR "I know I look like [don't look like] a pointy-headed geek, but there's = this thing called bufferbloat..." OR=20 "Do you ever get complaints that your wifi is really slow?"=20 Thanks. Rich=