From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-32-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-095-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.95]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FBB2E018E for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 16:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-32-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-32-ewr.local [10.0.141.238]) by mail-32-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416276FA0D4 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 00:51:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 66.163.179.147 Received: from web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.147]) by mail-32-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B2BC66F9828 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 00:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2492 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2011 00:51:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1297126303; bh=tcpjePObu4OtfNFVnBGafe9Zua9dw2LkFI53aM6pEaM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r+DmKds4uPyQR/rpGj6hIHW/Smuqoh24b1yaPxZt8Lawj10F9Ig5kn8nbzXwO/tqpZIoa4gXxf1DwrlHy9Ekf2YafBLKeISPlm6/WG6+eeDGlTyiE3zCEwp51EA+l5XwarGvtEyzDT9Y7K04Fl/pDmqvZFqi6Fl8VMZyBK8YJaU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xMnuGHWFU72TuuvwNNxvquVTDdnPmRdtSx5wgne/xc1kY6F1oMu3RoGSrkSxkJVrp4z57fzIY2+x6emReIemMGRepdoP76k/pABUlclRw/MvF15Mt9Vlg9mygLnlFWDM+jTVoFveor2wDc8WNNhMOUK3A8PhKAoB4oOP6pDqDnA=; Message-ID: <62751.98552.qm@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZeCj7aYVM1kbfdsXh9wqs8kHPuLhlzICXaJgzzIz.AhXqam waHA60s52 Received: from [88.110.142.78] by web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:51:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.108.291010 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 16:51:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Burr To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [Bloat] Letter to CACM? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 00:51:54 -0000 > Jim Gettys wrote: > > On 02/07/2011 05:15 AM, Simon Leinen wrote: > No ideas on how to reach the IEEE audience, I'm more of an ACM type > > myself. IETF is probably not bad, because it has some overlap with the > > IEEE network community. > > Yup. But we do need to keep this audience firmly in mind: they are often in >control of the purse-strings for a lot of the hardware on the > net. ACM is but one of a number of important audiences. Some places to try: www.lightreading.com , covers the telco and networking markets. www.dslprime.com , a newsletter covering the same market. www.broadband-forum.org , A standards organisation for the access network (dsl and fiber). http://metroethernetforum.org Analysts such as www.linleygroup.com and http://www.heavyreading.com. Another thing is - suppose you run an ISP with a zillion switches, and you want to find if any of them have this problem. How do you go about it? It's easy enough to manually measure the latency of one path, but you want to scan your whole network looking for latency problems. The obvious place to do this is in the software which already manages the zillion switches. In the telco world this seems to be called OSS (Operations Systems Support, not Open Source Software). So another group to reach out to are the people who write that, and the equivalent for more internet oriented shops. I don't know much about such software, except that it probably uses ethernet OAM protocols (802.1ag, ITU Y.1731 etc). Y.1731 includes latency measurement, although I suspect you could also get a crude latency estimate using 802.1ag. Alex