From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-01-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-127-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.127]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9DF2E0077 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-02-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-02-ewr.local [10.0.141.224]) by mail-01-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A181FB11A for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:12:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 17.254.13.22 Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mail-01-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF91B1FB064 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay12.apple.com (relay12.apple.com [17.128.113.53]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532B3CE63BF7 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807135-b7cf8ae0000007ed-cb-4d55983f9c25 Received: from elliott.apple.com (elliott.apple.com [17.151.62.13]) by relay12.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 84.BE.02029.F38955D4; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (173-164-252-149-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.164.252.149]) by elliott.apple.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LGG007B5YTANO50@elliott.apple.com> for bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: Stuart Cheshire In-reply-to: <87aai2y69t.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:12:46 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <627E28AA-2AF8-4798-8036-3F0A1CE519BD@apple.com> References: <87oc6pf4bc.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <7ihbcecnbo.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> <87ei7i9op9.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <87aai2y69t.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> To: d@taht.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?=) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:53:57 -0800 Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] The wireless problem in a nutshell X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:12:53 -0000 On 11 Feb 2011, at 6:50, Dave T=E4ht wrote: > Modems are not the only problem here. In the near future we can expect > to see big growth in areas such as ISDN, cable tv modems, ADSL modems > and even wireless 'modems', all offering increases in bandwidth. If we > don't also concentrate on improved bandwidth, we're not going to get = it. A strange copy-and-paste error got introduced somehow there. The paper = say: If we don=92t also concentrate on improved latency, we=92re not going to = get it. Stuart Cheshire * Wizard Without Portfolio, Apple Inc. * www.stuartcheshire.org