From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-x22c.google.com (mail-lb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D4AC21F82B for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbzr7 with SMTP id zr7so76277484lbb.1 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:43:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=CLTrDxgNn7LsCzTC6DlOXpn0ZB7iBtN4bwdYDimbfaA=; b=L+apVw8NuzSdTSxhCkTPsz1+cNfPlgJiv7u4RzvKcichxjuHUF8BtWMjAwEYN69QJ/ kPIHWLlyNUJ1trgz4HhS7y5FwzVe0m7UWElG6TE0MQg2ql6oFk8YylGnGd4bXOofmoWi 3gOLaPRcs9xCUZG81SqNMvtk+9DlXBsy0IhWOEH4ajTe5fwwnG/1/8iTjqkIoTI3E1TG z+XDCo6bmEKjgpaFJUj6e9co5UH3Vp2o+JYGyu4Kvbshh1BtiZOB48bWG9iFt+mXD2ox Mr+gEum6HHGJl2rie8u0ShAlOYfMKDEiUh3X+i7qOfCNQfgDjVS2YBh9+59Fmw3QW1qV kdxg== X-Received: by 10.152.37.102 with SMTP id x6mr33095405laj.69.1438094610831; Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (87-95-150-230.bb.dnainternet.fi. [87.95.150.230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yf5sm4659112lab.1.2015.07.28.07.43.28 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <14ed5136170.27f7.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:43:25 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <628EB9BF-C35C-4CC1-A8D5-EE66486232E0@gmail.com> References: <87a8ugqvid.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <87r3nstnj5.fsf@toke.dk> <876154qtkt.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <87mvygtm1a.fsf@toke.dk> <14ed5013130.27f7.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net> <1438093312.20182.49.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> <14ed5136170.27f7.e972a4f4d859b00521b2b659602cb2f9@superduper.net> To: Simon Barber X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] AQM and PPP on Linux X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:44:01 -0000 > On 28 Jul, 2015, at 17:31, Simon Barber wrote: >=20 > The issue is that Codel tries to keep the delay low, and will start = dropping when sojourn time grows above 5ms for 100ms. For longer RTT = links more delay is necessary to avoid underutilizing the link. I=E2=80=99m pretty sure we=E2=80=99ve had this discussion before, = several times. Codel works pretty well, with an interval of 100ms, when the actual RTT = is between about 10ms and 1000ms. That accounts for 99.9% of the = practical paths you=E2=80=99ll see on the Internet. If you really are concerned about long-RTT paths, then you can increase = the interval parameter to suit. This will hurt Codel=E2=80=99s = performance slightly on very short-RTT paths. - Jonathan Morton