From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout06.eigbox.net (bosmailout06.eigbox.net [66.96.185.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C65D3CB39; Sun, 1 Aug 2021 17:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bosmailscan03.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.3]) by bosmailout06.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1mAJBo-0007Ma-RS; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 17:40:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From: Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender :Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=hzkZUP0kdo2MaulDctkjkpkpb6392l952BeC2obfykc=; b=TNZnWFGlMpHim1CcxeJaa1zH0X v7cH43HqZCx2UnEaJU19Z5nkvFLIn2tl9iZHeg5Up7n+4x7SxTfmbgRB9WLE1YQ6luVXEMZe8dk3x /110Ve59GVkAMcCLQPJwNoG5gn1jiP64YRXSUnLz9MgFKsuFR+4SxOgiP/fstsAhKRIQF34hZecgE qwt/ErQN3Vm5vYFWPFDC0mPwtqjVxgWex36D03zK7Mu3XUu6krOlhZ1Prb8Zd3iERgvz0GUwKc3xd elGHSOqoR3SwcFzttTP/45BiNXoBA8U/SjUzuLcAHP3cjqR0Qek6FWv4IjwIx9lSdyWIg4wj1Z8Ej s8aOZqxg==; Received: from [10.115.3.34] (helo=bosimpout04) by bosmailscan03.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1mAJBo-0004kT-JQ; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 17:40:08 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.17]) by bosimpout04 with id cMg42500U0N5uqq01Mg74H; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 17:40:08 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ddwO3Bne c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=f4kFLigMKr8AH7rIJ//qJA==:117 a=x+7tlP9+fMpTIVJEmcsKvw==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MhDmnRu9jo8A:10 a=Wo7qeYC63mUA:10 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=zIU7iUj2AAAA:8 a=uherdBYGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=EWPDJS0nAAAA:8 a=vEvRs467Ycs7PRz8WiMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=h1jYO65u9OzzU07SFTYS:22 a=Ef4yma5cpRUEJWN9UqBm:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 Received: from c-73-222-32-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.222.32.85]:60050 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1mAJBk-0002TP-3h; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 17:40:04 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: "'Livingood, Jason'" , "'Simon Barber'" Cc: , "'bloat'" References: <058681B8-89EB-42ED-8E82-4048BA3C9504@cable.comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <058681B8-89EB-42ED-8E82-4048BA3C9504@cable.comcast.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 14:39:55 -0700 Organization: SRA Message-ID: <649DC4B024D74B8BA6926ABFCD52DC79@SRA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AQHXhxKn8OxATTii3EGKazYhGkooFqtfK+XQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.222.32.85 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-222-32-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 04:02:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] Of interest: Comcast AQM Paper X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:40:09 -0000 I assume by WiFi what is really meant is devices that have at least one = WiFi (layer 1/layer 2) interface. While there are queues in the MAC = sublayer, there is really no queue management functionality ... yet ... = AFAIK. I know IEEE P802.11bd in conjunction w/ IEEE 1609 is working on = implementing a few rudimentary queue mgmt functions. =20 That said, seems any AQM in such devices would more than likely be in = layer 3 and above. =20 RR=20 -----Original Message----- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Livingood, Jason Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 1:20 PM To: Simon Barber Cc: starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] Of interest: Comcast AQM Paper WiFi is a different challenge as you know. In this case it varies = depending on the radio chipset vendor and is on my list of things to = work on... JL =EF=BB=BFOn 7/31/21, 13:50, "Simon Barber" wrote: Awesome to hear that you are turning this on both upstream and = downstream. Do you know if the wifi stacks in your home routers also = have AQM? Simon > On Jul 30, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Livingood, Jason via Bloat = wrote: > > FYI that I will be presenting a lightning talk at the IRTF MAPRG = meeting today at 17:30 ET = (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/mat= erials/agenda-111-maprg__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!XLFMYPw-gnJgHzz_1nF-N7dNeIeT4QD-5w= Qny8vdAfYE6bzHtVQD3-lqiQI9YwAncrZUew$ ). The talk links to a = just-published paper at = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.13968__;!!CQl3mcHX= 2A!XLFMYPw-gnJgHzz_1nF-N7dNeIeT4QD-5wQny8vdAfYE6bzHtVQD3-lqiQI9YwCePfNyng= $ (click PDF link in upper right of page) that will likely be of = interest to these two lists. > > High-level: turning on AQM in the cable modem (upstream queue) = took working latency from around 250 ms to between 15-30 ms, which is = actually kind of cool. ;-) AQM is turned on in all of our CMTSes = (downstream queue) and in DOCSIS 3.1 modems (upstream queue). > > Have a nice weekend, > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > = https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat_= _;!!CQl3mcHX2A!XLFMYPw-gnJgHzz_1nF-N7dNeIeT4QD-5wQny8vdAfYE6bzHtVQD3-lqiQ= I9YwCIw2ZGww$ _______________________________________________ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink