From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mx12.netapp.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 International Server CA - G3" (not verified)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD92421F309 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 23:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,907,1400050800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="183251325" Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2014 23:52:34 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX06-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.39) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.106.76.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 23:51:32 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.40) by hioexcmbx06-prd.hq.netapp.com (10.122.105.39) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.913.22; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 23:51:30 -0700 Received: from HIOEXCMBX07-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([::1]) by hioexcmbx07-prd.hq.netapp.com ([fe80::55e3:a7dc:11bd:462%21]) with mapi id 15.00.0913.011; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 23:52:30 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Jim Gettys Thread-Topic: [Bloat] sigcomm wifi Thread-Index: AQHPu8zrT6Un8rUS9kGedOJtqZuzuJvZijIAgAD5YoCAAJMdgA== Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 06:52:30 +0000 Message-ID: <64CD1035-2E14-4CA6-8E90-C892BAD48EC6@netapp.com> References: <91696A3A-EF44-4A1A-8070-D3AF25D0D9AC@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) x-originating-ip: [10.122.56.79] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64009650-0CAC-48F4-A01C-D628F5E36540"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] sigcomm wifi X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 06:52:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_64009650-0CAC-48F4-A01C-D628F5E36540 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 2014-8-21, at 0:05, Jim Gettys wrote: > =E2=80=8BAnd what kinds of AP's? All the 1G guarantees you is that = your bottleneck is in the wifi hop, and they can suffer as badly as = anything else (particularly consumer home routers). >=20 > The reason why 802.11 works ok at IETF and NANOG is that: > o) they use Cisco enterprise AP's, which are not badly over = buffered. IIRC, Finlandia Hall used those, too (they had just gotten an upgraded = installation a few months before the conference, by people who = understand WLAN.) Lars --Apple-Mail=_64009650-0CAC-48F4-A01C-D628F5E36540 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU/WXLdZcnpRveo1xAQKMFgP/QA3IAHqHsyvxBv95J+pPeYOSP+wY+nCJ FlWntNW68hYHJpdBPwOMDrE81hzT7LbLveNRwiRWgDsLgxx9/d6h54iFa1+ALO8W cljNIH0ee40zy3vSN8BGYGnN6ObzIQ1coHSkWx5+awdMDJ6lss8xUpkQirc5SmFz 84yeNhtqRdQ= =onih -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_64009650-0CAC-48F4-A01C-D628F5E36540--