From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:18:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <653CD759-7E08-43BC-9FDC-3B082917F33E@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1611231909230.3558@uplift.swm.pp.se>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
>
>> Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things get vastly simpler.
One problem will be that the actual edge devices are often ISP supplied and hence extremely cost sensitive; combined with increasing bandwidth in many ISP offerings, having CPEs that can perform ingress shaping at “modern” rates looks challenging if the same CPEs also need to be very cheap. Egress shaping is a different kettle of fish though and for most asymmetric plans the CPE either should have enough punch or might be amendable to a BQL-like solution that could e actually relatively computationally cheap. But for that to happen we would need to convince ISPs and/or CPE chipset manufacturer (or better those engineers that create the drivers for the SDKs).
>
> Sure! Sounds Great. How?
Getting a big ISP on board would already be a great start, if combined with a tiny bit of PR…?
Best Regards
Sebastian
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-22 15:32 Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:19 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-22 16:25 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-22 16:38 ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-23 8:28 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 11:04 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 11:59 ` Kelvin Edmison
2016-11-23 13:31 ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-23 14:05 ` Mário Sérgio Fujikawa Ferreira
2016-11-23 17:20 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:27 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 17:31 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 17:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2016-11-23 17:50 ` Noah Causin
2016-11-23 17:56 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:05 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 18:38 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 19:29 ` Benjamin Cronce
2016-11-23 19:42 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:20 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 17:54 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:09 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-23 18:18 ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]
2016-11-23 18:24 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 20:39 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2016-11-23 19:13 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:17 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-23 15:32 ` Pedretti Fabio
2016-11-23 19:29 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-23 19:22 ` Dave Taht
[not found] <mailman.447.1479909940.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-23 18:16 ` Rich Brown
2016-11-23 18:46 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 18:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-23 19:15 ` David Lang
2016-11-23 20:37 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
[not found] <mailman.454.1479929363.3555.bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
2016-11-26 15:33 ` [Bloat] Fixing " Rich Brown
2016-11-27 1:53 ` Aaron Wood
2016-11-27 6:10 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2016-11-27 21:24 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 2:11 ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 2:16 ` Jim Gettys
2016-11-28 6:00 ` Jan Ceuleers
2016-11-28 12:48 ` David Collier-Brown
2016-11-28 15:12 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:23 ` Wesley Eddy
2016-11-28 15:35 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 16:58 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-11-28 17:07 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 19:02 ` Jonathan Morton
2016-11-28 17:52 ` Kathleen Nichols
2016-11-28 15:14 ` Pedro Tumusok
2016-11-28 15:23 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 15:10 ` Dave Taht
2016-11-28 2:47 ` David Lang
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