From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 782723B2A2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.11.213] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MOCSm-1c45op0HWG-005V5M; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:19:04 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:18:59 +0100 Cc: David Lang , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <653CD759-7E08-43BC-9FDC-3B082917F33E@gmx.de> References: <8d72490d-551a-c58f-991a-1750e9af8df9@gmail.com> To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hewKZkwAmhEemk9F8DoBzeQjrW6Umis5XqmMkuUkrOo3b23Ajdb QfxM2FUXvYNbbOfEvH0YtedOzaGUvUPgLw5yZbNe1+Lksv+T1jTqlzbc6aQUESn6o9k+PLO jGM96pBYe5KsUoRFwFZ4rcMDWrSsTSBvFayUvUeQ8cwn8qLXTVAakKltQQGgKSDf1KJBvj7 3aneqQwMw0qY4YS/AOHvg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:XKic7UD+dK4=:vEjZ8HIxxNkZELERpR+hs4 9EfRX+mIXEImL8WSxtK8XbhZeRSWHElh5jHq2g2JV54nOLaNKXEDl7VcvSaUwZkGcSF9MXTwL XLDEsfF0JV/i++qenXaO9ZGhUmowZpmlerpqPg80j94YhQmChcUvNc/02yBUhhiG0Fz/TAxrm qudi2aSI4FDzeB8PeIk5L60jT5cMKGbnqbtk6XVLSyfBCwf4Qlf7o+RjaStG56tPxzlqg9lRw HduOySdb5ReUMHwfvzLDBP4m7yHRpBrUg3D7JgvMvdIinRXcORgrkh+ZviMGtJcCdEPSpk0jB AKQFfMBoletd19NNFbDH/COOGAfwIm/Ex7S9O7+5nj8DHgjybniDQolA264istyZ0f7rMeBkX k5BsywGbJOzkxCIg31FhPQy+Eml3q8IAKOR7dtGJOFD1ZzMAb4MJykYFSigJ7EjSBRdswem3Z xwnGu2WW3eBavsBnc+5nElnpNZrsRLBuJjKBciHGOl7igJZHZ82Jakvnd1P5VehE+CdUBSHyq rEW1jD1mE65IcZKJkCkhuw8XcXIbvQMjzoyBjvqyuWxqXZdMwyU3r0Ny2w9xjCfjiBgsa+w41 AuUBnIMcqiYDRPA8Ae9mxa+B6sJjCcifDqj2o0eXsyTYjxLAkKfZ/pRfMdQoob8RqcXOfpkvp Xxi4gcge0LXL1+/rImKfPf7MbNdPSeKSaJKJhVmnlekHOg/t3XEz4Y82xII4sKpbHUDpQm5bp ztgsiQYYqAx+STZL4vqAeXd1WW/J6XwlFIN+JB/Zgt1hbaK6LCBVALkWCGvrEP9iuRKNbJkwE hI0vu10 Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:19:14 -0000 > On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote: >=20 >> Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and = things get vastly simpler. One problem will be that the actual edge devices are often ISP = supplied and hence extremely cost sensitive; combined with increasing = bandwidth in many ISP offerings, having CPEs that can perform ingress = shaping at =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D rates looks challenging if the same = CPEs also need to be very cheap. Egress shaping is a different kettle of = fish though and for most asymmetric plans the CPE either should have = enough punch or might be amendable to a BQL-like solution that could e = actually relatively computationally cheap. But for that to happen we = would need to convince ISPs and/or CPE chipset manufacturer (or better = those engineers that create the drivers for the SDKs). >=20 > Sure! Sounds Great. How? Getting a big ISP on board would already be a great start, if = combined with a tiny bit of PR=E2=80=A6? Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > --=20 > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat