From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E37E3B29E for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4280ee5f1e3so27199575e9.0 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1723995150; x=1724599950; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:content-language:from :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2lv7aobNz9NEj58WNe5UYXzBzRLjLteAHKsOfd3zdAw=; b=VbDTkJ/l5v85zytSDNdXDGZsZgrHBYw6GpXYPCZq4h9+pZB9AFYshz06q8Uc19nbx6 QmzjtWuKASlyqMcjooehNJnYUf4FsuJtbGhMZzkrRPv23wW0qP3V6809AHupavzJcYx7 Zmx+0/M0foQO1E5GaQNitPq4s+l4VPOoUnkuC+fIjAcpJ5Hg/sfIEwUFNjXX4U/ihGH6 qRdUqUQflBjVa58IZP4FHhEG7HWFQywYQ4SsR/4lOQYYTceSMWMN4x7TAe9fyICKfeJ+ JauvtaQrzR9xDnP0vnTiT+tB0DRyb6FstNuPaIyc0ASA1rAV1+Ey5rH9qwmD4S7C7R7v nPww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1723995150; x=1724599950; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:content-language:from :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2lv7aobNz9NEj58WNe5UYXzBzRLjLteAHKsOfd3zdAw=; b=XkObmYMG6JRk64nz8IkndvEVA1BxzAYcbMS4X+VT2blGWuJn+b5NxrJCMfy0rRKDx3 Q31Fx90mxO23SMFJ1T9n1CCkmXm/EQd9Gl1wuTPxgFqKgbbTMjIEYcrLPR1+6EFBf1rn sLVkPJOFhNTEajNZXMwP913O22hX6sRh231QKTCaQB9XMMo9MhYwPltpJ8PsKXF5oHMb SIAMwdmkXo0jSGQN7js6IvDwTt49VIeKRRKSe4/sijn92o1SVV61c7EF+AOmFpAqWy0X i4barmcN1JCmIibdutPga93GbEcNJwjiqGiy6/TtI8PmoOsasqiwJWhrSI3v9R9/d4jx X9hQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwWVMH/tsjphdhC4wOfHs5WWou3LljjdBQZgpraiCNSbtFvX3Oa 3UjjCDH08MJUGNZ34pLmlmRGuMj3q3DBA6K+2V2pygfDPCbmgaY7a/228w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHayy/KxMmDztjsQed7Zvc0wrljFfIuXTgLa5DZMySOX/16h/gd0p0y4z/OVC9FlkOJyxCO7g== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3152:b0:427:ff1e:ab1f with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-429ed79dcacmr62701635e9.14.1723995149744; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 08:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dracor.xperim.be (197.141-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be. [87.67.141.197]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-429ded7d5bfsm135343225e9.46.2024.08.18.08.32.29 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 18 Aug 2024 08:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by dracor.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF0AD380004 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:32:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <66c3c9fe-da65-443e-b188-c81adf13f73a@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:32:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <93639364-6937-4EE6-B218-2A02AF212362@gmail.com> From: Jan Ceuleers Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <93639364-6937-4EE6-B218-2A02AF212362@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Looking for a citation... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 15:32:31 -0000 On 18/08/2024 11:08, Rich Brown via Bloat wrote: > In various posts, I have baldly asserted that "above 300-500mbps ISP links, all the bufferbloat moves into the Wi-Fi." > > I am pretty sure that I someone on these lists stated that as fact. > > Could I get a link to a discussion that is definitive? Or a statement that is actually true that I can incorporate into my future posts? Many thanks. Quite evidently there are WiFi access points and clients available whose speeds exceed 500 Mbit/s, so in order to be able to make such a claim one would need to know the extent to which those newer WiFi technologies are not yet deployed.