From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C97693CB54 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 09:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id h33-v6so1092842edb.5 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:57:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f3GXw84+MgGUwGW6O341nATb+UqzcCkmZm4oHsna/Co=; b=Y+o6fHfioVtjDzXHvic8R8M4Hto7BgJS/umc4JsW1EtOQ5ZMHysHNWXUQmT/kih9a8 H+5zgGF9DHj2o1S1PXkO6KvstshhBhRLpM1P/ZN8J6HGOzNU2wWIpp22xraAzM81xsod RDnHuwqj9sfSBCJ3lkWuFl9ez4J91KgjkWCC9DXNUybnEVaRZahvSBWg/I0MokA7iWw4 W8pVJN0Vb2XhfiOJxlI2DdsJaF01Y2pwBW20Jw2n6Qcx+jGCL3GDFuurgRHcZR/xyeXK I0BvZ4RLV6uGlxAfkAD4IGggPHU8hs+eCXKFjVKHM3iTv8JGqjFRtPhFMsc+7ixAMrL+ 3sQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=f3GXw84+MgGUwGW6O341nATb+UqzcCkmZm4oHsna/Co=; b=KPpbYNl+Bcq3Cf4zBgSb9YUPAOBUG4l4pLRy34TJFi9itQyyd9FFLaFxSeB/S8mVif cyATEncfiLNqvEl9OKImoi3ckH5i72FXSrdOXtVQBne9igTgg3s17ApC0M28f0hOovTA TifaY2INR4lvtgCvSW1lIm2QUJA/hyxasEMgRRmaA9/CDQfZF13F5ihnE/AeG2TN6eLz oHOJotD43r6KSF+bNKICxvh+R0VDCT4vz3DBRK3j3Ie5qHbXBTGSmGDtDB1GGFrsxcNT f83xlSYTJUnNXoYqVtqaHwCoU0Gzdq2fIocwye4MIiT9Z1Q7DEHJ6UjPAVzI77+CsJuW 5M0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlF7RwivZQnDhGOaa3j4VtmhicyTHm80Voje1lANOAj6zVzzqKoA ckSeNwxLcwP8Bwfet7Jh1JCdrk9x X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPxLBNsmn0/WITB9k3WGVLRaPEx+SR3fCtFvwRJeZCVsfR71YUqpPg9FNzaN/Rbnwg0O8YBZow== X-Received: by 2002:a50:a347:: with SMTP id 65-v6mr70614502edn.299.1535032675616; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zotac.xperim.be (75.25-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be. [81.241.25.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s12-v6sm1893835edq.20.2018.08.23.06.57.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.184] (bajor.xperim.be [192.168.1.184]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BAEC497C98; Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:57:53 +0200 (CEST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <66e2374b-f998-b132-410e-46c9089bb06b@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:57:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] beating the drum for BQL X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:57:57 -0000 On 23/08/18 15:06, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Or we could convince customers to stop buying toy router's that only work under a severely limited set of circumstances and opt for devices that pack enough CPU-punch to be actually adequate for modern internet speed tiers, no? Now if the packet accelerator is jus there to help save energy for typical cases but the CPU is powerful enough to handle a modern line with all the bells and whistles customers except, then I am all for it, but if the packet accelerator is just there to paper over an anemic CPU... Not realistic, and also not environmentally friendly. Doing packet forwarding in hardware is much more energy efficient, for example. So not only is the hardware cheaper, it doesn't generate as much heat, is cheaper to run, etc. Jan