From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22e.google.com (mail-lj1-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9BD63B2A4 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 16:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22e.google.com with SMTP id r13so3115292ljm.0 for ; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 13:09:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w0fodXeNSoYPZWR2LLZwD/0ybxg03FSnr+RdiN880vI=; b=bBCQ1ikf/olWNjdDlUwTddYucOS/2FCaaG1B7/vks3WV7LxGVHQ4n2xn6M8UFs09xQ SBlr0a7YLVI6YDgHW0rf6oZWMC6c2OUogm9EWH3nP0zCt7XKmG5MLYcIdCEGhfQ7rG4r 47YTDMcXw3FjBV/0wZG4YGS7ikVq30PnxawoBHv0FO+HzAGZ7qc4A66stsLnbjl0EnnL fyOTPrLqyKepQq7owQM0G6J4sbbHPw/EdL80n3wZYmVMct3OyaXJ1Fb3OFOjNEBm4vzU b8Bxfr0OIg6KJ5vVOzBv6845YK92xO/0gsUr3GU9thDVWWyTp0wWkT7o9TEIBMk/0JFG 8NKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w0fodXeNSoYPZWR2LLZwD/0ybxg03FSnr+RdiN880vI=; b=Z/eaDGEkA7iV3oB8jpo8h8wp8QX/bv2ZJ4+kbrUxjA9rrTJbGPtj4AC3nvIl0aEhzx XnHmvTCviTTTBYtxPJe+mJrWxUT0naqwolY6jMdTwmMjB0C+D5pFO1JP+PqKzjFOmQNJ XhOp0+SlcLoVXLKZ+7OF7R1PPnYQ+DIA3aTdwY5hJQfDTg2NQjG4cN+vJ092olzTNe33 4l40Kuj+VexpmNX7S5F/3xnJgtNun5lB6HDkwAczPqFsK9FUgWCmFSXWSz9ljYOAWsgA j0wrJz3XkoeK+MKN5tgA4NDeJsXr2lEaS5TOnZ9DQqieEyZNjfi9CBAkQqhV03Y9bR5+ ps4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531UsMRW360ImyHQTPY2eTtWiOqb/Icx8n64SxHMjcNDX22qkwC3 6iYbp/wCmMj9lEp5IohjsfE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy4kTkoC/XlQPNiEcMfXgby/7c7ASqId7o5v6KxF9pw9o+CmVUlOGe6x+BnYCIfQ1m6/TNA5Q== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:990c:: with SMTP id v12mr1510503lji.449.1598990996611; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 13:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (178-55-224-121.bb.dnainternet.fi. [178.55.224.121]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n26sm480800ljg.15.2020.09.01.13.09.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Sep 2020 13:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.6\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <1B20AB20-8C92-41E8-A064-212E311ABD57@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 23:09:54 +0300 Cc: Jonathan Foulkes , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <67D7B066-963A-4DD4-A17A-F9B6CD11BD39@gmail.com> References: <87mu2bjbf8.fsf@toke.dk> <5DBFB383-13E8-4587-BE49-1767471D7D59@jonathanfoulkes.com> <4E67F6C6-5187-4052-B7CA-177245F01CC0@gmx.de> <1170B9AF-977E-45F4-ABCB-78A801F609C9@jonathanfoulkes.com> <1B20AB20-8C92-41E8-A064-212E311ABD57@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.6) Subject: Re: [Bloat] CAKE in openwrt high CPU X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 20:09:58 -0000 > On 1 Sep, 2020, at 11:04 pm, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 >> The challenge are the end users, who only understand the silly = =E2=80=99speed=E2=80=99 metric, and feel anything that lowers that = number is a =E2=80=98bad=E2=80=99 thing. It takes effort to get even = technical users to get it. >=20 > I repeatedly fall into that trap... For a lot of users, I rather suspect that setting 40/10 Mbps would give = them entirely sufficient speed, and most existing CPE would be able to = keep up with those settings even with all of Cake's bells and whistles = turned on. The trouble is that that might be 10% of what the cable company is = advertising to them. - Jonathan Morton=