From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC23521F539 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 01:28:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1429432135; bh=haj20iXXl7Urejit86zCKbUFERf1MPEl5rzKyJeIYHA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=LW6EKvC6GN/IafOQnLaDe5AG3DhKfUyYXtIZmi+yF3R4BHSsTu+o7Lj2HO97SWt9qSVgwpMDgZO1/Kd07I59c+BNFjS+ociLkE9s12+8e+Jq9c3SP6oSDgpAv1lw36ZNGTV/A7zL+OOt9pN9i3ntvR+LXzJvEy84VnXB9NddfwL6mWih/jUHDWLGVV4CtTw+oJsgfWJov5fVF5KSo2Z6Vm4x4Dhs65oFe/MEuwU42mWl0LeGWq4WDMYoANWf6eLRQ53YQ+1wUfzp7YD3TZHt1KxW6oIyDYDGs/663j2fV/m+i6mdMap5OW+yf6qEPzMrhZGQ6T7LRoCgp67x2edGVA== Received: from [98.138.100.117] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2015 08:28:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.162] by tm108.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2015 08:28:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2015 08:28:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 176015.44760.bm@omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: BaxUkNwVM1k5fr.I9X1Un30KUf6RPcIHoIIQendWjFUVouHgp81GXCFhLY.PNyX BhXceGVFDE7ZdRwgZfE43e.gNjiiHguOkwrTi15p2GwfxceNYG.y658V5boRuPyzYE4o3nX4XSb4 0wbwvyMqnuWabEBkv.JD5RihEYlOWnO4nonpPdZ.jKJh9SIrRFeyQZSh.IL0D0u4IVwYwcLb1Wrt 3yVf_4zlKzRcF5kJc6xWnivri9qFAYK3n_Yd6R81a5do96OioM3B73bQcmVyY47g7i1JIYGlFpAV rjutvzzHriUMi6Qg3wBjvY8sjiGuRrHUOq..eQ2oumaaL8sifEfzCfJVL5w5yKu2E9qZYrv2GU0t H7BFRL2nl7hd754Barsqxyivv2OpdIyKW79GomFsNo149Ej1.UMoHZ0yb7ZWYSGAmK8Ngpp7i81N Q_YMDpLkMFZQ6pbBDjceM9_B_wZzTdd_7HGjxgZ1mZvbsTvugPX7Md3hleC7570PliYeZvnhBK.h 4Jof665McNAiYLEavLdmn7SZSKQpGJw3P Received: by 98.138.105.209; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 08:28:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 08:28:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Alex Burr To: jb , "bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" Message-ID: <685061792.6040283.1429432133883.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6040282_1433804301.1429432133875" Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Burr List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 08:29:25 -0000 ------=_Part_6040282_1433804301.1429432133875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Justin, This looks really useful. On the subject of presenting the information in a= clear way, we have always struggled with how to present a 'larger is worse= ' number. A while back I posted a graphic which attempts to=C2=A0overcome t= his for latency:https://imgrush.com/0oPGJ8VHluFy.pngFeel free to use any as= pect of that.=C2=A0 The example there compares fictional ISPs but it could = easily be used to compare typical latency with latency under load. (I used the word 'delay' as it is more familiar than latency. The number is= illustrated by a picture of a physical queue; hopefully everyone can ident= ify it instantly, and knows that a longer one is worse. The eye supposed to= be drawn to the figure at the back of the queue to emphasise this.) =C2=A0 Best,Alex From: jb To: Dave Taht ; bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net=20 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-i= n =20 The graph below the upload and download is what is new.(unfortunately you d= o have to be logged into the site to see this)it shows the latency during t= he upload and download, color coded. (see attached image). In your case during the upload it spiked to ~200ms from ~50ms but it was no= t so bad. During upload, there were no issues with latency. I don't want to force anyone to sign up, just was making sure not to confus= e anonymous users with more information than they knew what to do with. Whe= n I'm clear how to present the information, I'll make it available by defau= lt, to anyone member or otherwise. =20 ------=_Part_6040282_1433804301.1429432133875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Justin,

This looks really useful. On the subject of presenting the infor= mation in a clear way, we have always struggled with how to present a 'larg= er is worse' number. A while back I posted a graphic which attempts to = ;
overcome th= is for latency:
Feel free to use any aspect of= that.  The example there compares fictional ISPs but it could easily = be used to compare typical latency with latency under load.
(I used the word 'delay'= as it is more familiar than latency. The number is illustrated by a pictur= e of a physical queue; hopefully everyone can identify it instantly, and kn= ows that a longer one is worse. The eye supposed to be drawn to the figure = at the back of the queue to emphasise this.)
  Best,
Alex
= From: jb <justin@d= slr.net>
To: Dave T= aht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 6:26 A= M
Subject: Re: [Bloat]= DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in
=

=
The graph below the upload and download is= what is new.
(unfortunat= ely you do have to be logged into the site to see this)
it shows the latency during the upload and d= ownload, color coded. (see attached image).

In your case during the upload it spiked to ~200ms from ~50ms but it was= not so bad. During upload, there were no issues with latency.

I don't want to force a= nyone to sign up, just was making sure not to confuse anonymous users with = more information than they knew what to do with. When I'm clear how to pres= ent the information, I'll make it available by default, to anyone member or= otherwise.

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