From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x729.google.com (mail-qk1-x729.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::729]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB8DB3CB37 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x729.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-777252c396bso342100885a.2 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 05:39:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697546395; x=1698151195; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BEqMxHKNkgvf5Nd4tDsMRtCpRYhlW+XFobw25BfSBLg=; b=atAeDeIr/7n8+C21Emv8BHRKFQexIZppLUolBQhz9S0KiAXTknQys2ot38WRi3hyD4 vnx4CakJ1ZsOlUbuOQtngUGWcyFIsaezRFSqs1CqZgfTAS0XKjF7nrR9xlm8ZutKFWQb dvVxA2xmljbjkEQztHUZQzm73LCltncsixRXJz+SuI98OzGzwpeWcTkBpAOuYA9kWHEC fGT4yS3licZ8luQwFSOA06KsKHEqlXWFJuMhFY11ULgBAWMR/3Wu5KKUqP5JRBc6Zx6U Jium1WcUZXzt4h0Qf4cP2tETeXZXgMWg3Xs0Qjg0WyKUqHvGIXk4XT/vtIrHQI+Y/uSL l04w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697546395; x=1698151195; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=BEqMxHKNkgvf5Nd4tDsMRtCpRYhlW+XFobw25BfSBLg=; b=kJi9KZdGtfhMxuwOX1O7BJPj3VL5Np1uFdh+irqz2rNiX6D5EUCHdfDihqigL+wz8O LfbxndGbRfj26VT58ByOD89miGH9lvjYCVOdKpfemDZ07ZUChHuji43i0ssH0zAtTzTi 87GNnPAWkFsR3AhMQXPXzrdoshmGNyrTLd8KlUJfLsKZYQc6kzRHlle9loGhHSf5K7Nn Ups0ItGzESa3CZv7ZeSAG1ihzV+J6XIFfOyUvBL5MdgJAo+e075tPAWgVqQwXQZQOGW9 K5H/5FcoMoIRItC5TqAJijprXUEkmRpl3kr7KivYWKVQF+ANjkVHV2KAv00r5WjOACWG LQdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwO4hlX/E33nawW0gKQnwIe+vX8AkXggNHrWHwIcgNd+sbw+BNl A50z2Ho5hl9omJuz9tmyXIEWVcYKkik= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGFVdgg/Rrx1J0bd4t17PA8GcbY1AJA9hFFH1TjdjW6IcdtyFHi9hMYnGM90DGl4hkHnOZtbQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:254b:b0:775:6d45:14a with SMTP id s11-20020a05620a254b00b007756d45014amr2377819qko.4.1697546395231; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 05:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c24-20020a05620a201800b007726002d69esm611763qka.10.2023.10.17.05.39.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Oct 2023 05:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Message-Id: <68901251-6DC5-4996-94E8-BE4DF60916AD@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:39:53 -0400 To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: [Bloat] Best approach for debloating Airbnb host? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 12:39:56 -0000 I stayed in an Airbnb rental last week. It was nicely appointed with a = very gracious host who lived in the other half of the home. They had = decent internet from xfinity - I was getting 20mbps/5mpbs. But.. they have bad bufferbloat. I was on a Zoom call and occasionally = people would sound like Darth Vader. I busted out a ping test to 8.8.8.8 = and sure enough, latency spiked from a nominal 10-20 msec to 2500 msec = and occasionally over 4000 msec. I had to check out before I had a chance to mention it to the Airbnb = host. And I'll probably leave it alone. But I'm still wondering - if I = wanted to evangelize: 1. What would I say? I know I don't want to blurt out, "your network has = bufferbloat". That sounds worse than the cooties :-) I imagine that I'd = mumble something about the Zoom call occasionally sounding like Darth = Vader, and that I'm a network professional and recognize the symptom, = and that there's a technical fix for it. I'd probably pause to see if = their eyes lit up ("Oh, that happens to us all the time...") before = proceeding. And then... 2. What would I recommend? Obviously, inserting something with cake into = the mix would help a lot. Even if they were willing to let me examine = their entire network (Comcast router, Apple Airport in our Airbnb unit, = other router?) I have no idea what kind of tar baby I would be touching. = I don't want to become their network admin for the rest of time. I know Dave T=C3=A4ht recommends that you help your local coffee shop = debloat their network. But that's a place that you develop a personal = relationship and you visit often enough to answer questions during a = shake-down period. And they'll probably "let you in the back" to see = what's there. Anyone have good ideas about handling this? Or should I give it = up?Thanks! Rich