* Re: [Bloat] 250ms at 100Mbit fiber/cable
2021-11-17 18:04 ` Matt Taggart
@ 2021-11-17 18:37 ` Sebastian Moeller
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From: Sebastian Moeller @ 2021-11-17 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matt Taggart; +Cc: bloat
Hi Matt,
> On Nov 17, 2021, at 19:04, Matt Taggart <matt@lackof.org> wrote:
>
> On 11/17/21 9:28 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
>> I find the data cluster over here at 250ms/100Mbit kind of worrisome:
>> https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat?up=1
>
> That graph is amazing! Things I noticed:
> * clear division between technologies in bandwidth
Sampling issue, over here in Germany docsis/cable upload tops out at 50 Mbps, while VDSL2 at 40Mbps, at least on the uplink plot...
> * the log scales are a great way to visualize things
Yes and no; what they offer on overview, they lack in detail... the difference from 250ms delay to 1 second seems smaler than from 30ms to 250ms, yet I am sure internt with 250ms latency (while painful) is leaps and bounds more usable than at 1sec....
> * you can make out the different bandwidth "tiers" that cable providers offer
Less clear in the download scatter plot at https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat, no? Only 100Mbps stands out.
> * fiber doesn't seem to show such tiers as much
Funny the biggest fiber ISP in Germany sells fiber with similar rate plans as DSL (50/10, 100/40, 250/40, 500/100, 1000/200) so tiering should show up there as well, and if you clock on the cable legend text (to blend cabe samples out) you see the 250ms/100Mbps blob that Dave mentioned in the fiber results as well.
As far as I can tell the classification really comes from the button users pressed when running a test, so these categories will not be 100% pure. Especially ince the different test profiles use different numbers of flows and for most VDSL2 links the cable or fiber preset gives better throughput results (as the 4? flows in the DSL preset often ca not reliably saturate links >> 12 Mbps).
> * DSL really drops off around 12mbit as expected, but there are some well above that. User error when running the test?
See above, in some regions/markets DSL variants offer speeds well above 12 Mbos, e.g. VDSL2 reaching 250/40, of G.fast 500/500+, the dslreports data set is not country specific.
>
> I really like best/worst lists at the bottom.
>
> How could this graph/data be used to measure progress on the bufferbloat front? It would be neat to have an animation over time and hopefully watch the points drift to the left.
+1 that would be a great animation to have/show!
>
> What if the graph had the ability to toggle data sets on/off:
> * by technology
That you can already do, just click on the respective text in the legend and the symbol will grey out and the respective samples disappear.
> * by ISP
> * by region
>
https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results offers by country and by ISP, but then does not show the nice log/log throughput over inferred buffer size plot for these sub groupings.
Best Regards
Sebastian
> Thanks for pointing it out
>
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