From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA3AD21F201 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 02:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u-089-d066.biologie.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.89.66]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LyEJp-1Z91q21pLR-015Wez; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:08:35 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:08:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6AD8E150-5751-43AC-8F6C-8175C1E92DE1@gmx.de> References: To: Benjamin Cronce X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Gh6mk80C2vS5rMCgEE0dWiyuu8iGGHvFHqfNDynaPSt27WmOpKR ObMBC5KfGw/LkBUQiWJsjAs6jWnt70qfx/wE8BpIW7L/OJv2ZxL3FXVnE6krD4uFTAoXSgr eyY0ODNVtkjGr3EFHK2wi7cYvKAExQFJmCmZRRy8ehjvZ9P7BE+0yttqEf/eNCEuwsY2b0r P4bxmU/0KBzH2Ifj19fXg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:SUBdKPCTztM=:D+N04tXpRwXfwtA6aKqnku X13YKK5GvRC+Z1PVvMILMlHQEq9485K4qYFc+KsEAwY7EITOBPvAVxQN6jDkIACtSd90yiZ4k EajpNPZVO+kTH+1GyRO8AwR8ZF/VyqwS/IHOCHYM1O07TXLNe79i47TiEoVe2NRnMgnZhFzEf RpQvNIu/iG5OW7mtdwOoGmu477Qw8dM8soUmDtZlgId4jfuETIHRF5BJmLEVf5Z4NwjQEq9wu 80PrGinzcBAMliXUDJIMy1q0mX1z5NtuqX79eyIlkzRsHKcowB3nf92SsNrsgNm4DAFfgLOdF mrI0lmYBwz3MEmRd9M4Lf8WnXPsUmy/iaCMTTSAc+YaGvFoYCOt4zT0zpkFK0d7h9GqDQTx3k +/EJSJmX34g7O0d9hEuDPx2CCNHJIc+7cyhnKXLnvM2OqrIOuNB3f7yVP2s5YiUVPucN6JAFH 80Hpqpg2k9otaqZI3+AULM4gVUCq1GDgrqqrQjqSRTTe+k4J2/YMJLC12PbpsavqmHlM192m2 TtP16pYLzVC5vizbL+JkKpkgXTMJJnJ2YpQpzYO0HKr4ETgS0HFu/1opMJ6Abrd5gQMQjjKim vyaFa3wP50Idh8JsMBdCEcehFY0Cg/oeXdkmvRGIPtwmzpXn+cupo/xAAA2kPnC+B0Vb/2njW 4xOeNwfhRWJ57Bl7t0+4Phfc7C4/0jPKk36vZxSkSFM9FLbXkPB8FvgNdkJEMkWv0yYk= Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bloat done correctly? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:09:07 -0000 Hi Benjamin, To go off onto a tangent: On Jun 12, 2015, at 06:45 , Benjamin Cronce wrote: > [...] > Under load while doing P2P(About 80Mb down and 20Mb up just as I = started the test) > HFSC: P2P in 20% queue and 80/443/8080 in 40% queue with ACKs going to = a 20% realtime queue > http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/622452 I know this is not really your question, but I think the ACKs = should go into the same queue as the matching data packets. Think about = it that way, if the data is delayed due to congestion it does not make = too much sense to tell the sender to send more faster (which essentially = is what ACK prioritization does) as that will not really reduce the = congestion but rather increase it.=20 There is one caveat though: when ECN is used it might make sense = to send out the ACK that will signal the congestion state back to the = sender faster=85 So if you prioritize ACKs only select those with an = ECN-Echo flag ;)=20 @bloat : What do you all think about this refined ACK = prioritization scheme? Best Regards Sebastian