From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x133.google.com (mail-lf1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31B273B29E for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x133.google.com with SMTP id q18so5186150lfc.7 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:17:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=tlrFmhP3nk8sXlifE5oHGGp80dOtrYWaN1wLdIvDpNU=; b=EYlZDfj9QIojghwSuYZultgNo5uDsmqgB3asZ1QPjmQsrVz1zqbweim70lA0avMbwx LpVTmWy92hl80u8BtG8Vy3mUHr6dFUPIKmAfxCb2Vflst0ERhsqD0wlZXYq4ymlcWbOZ scRJR8bVCcaFzpTqRRlKsmCWPThq3OEVZN539JA33mGtMbgPa9ohWxQrEEzud0l2ye7t 97S8qy7HSoySQi/l9uw2tUhCKYnyq6PwDRuVSd8ikKODckHfE+YGFE/ZXgoXnpQOdTPD 5kVVqDFNPC9i3obm3P9I1jXKs8uDP2dItnJVVSG4S+zGTuHSyJm1eaTPkffs9f3kuRas nGwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=tlrFmhP3nk8sXlifE5oHGGp80dOtrYWaN1wLdIvDpNU=; b=AmAPQ+/w1mAXWSIaHQNGWq4e/WvTXcBq5RYy6yA28g4ZHH8If4c17aDcwoVBCajch/ ZmL8oNBruPN+ZgMQtYBgS00UyOiZUyS08mkTP15/Rpehn4NuqvuR9Io7A2NTewdVZDEh iG8QWUhHOCOEdkIwZg+xgBUnZaPpwph1XF83e9s9kg76S0D38ZchqcZDQV4xyWhConCL DVt8kBjvwPi8wAG5gvvC0BBC6pV751RSfk1bn2MxcafNQFZsQREHZHN40aZk2U+dPTAY t9yxFFBj92ZOx63R/38zFz1X+MTjB515Ny3B90wpmDDDbymbCRpSmSNYqKxbc79sVA4j jnyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530HBmeeUQw6SOPkrdwZpFBG2uhcc7QYmBpOK23XHrJM2dzSqx1+ Bj+ag3lZkBy8MdqG+IBtWkY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyWwkbV6Hc7cjMXBYAp7Tfs2fAg3n5K/tpL5RA3Q9s7D/wSt1rh0OVO/23l8Hbarcu7viEv2g== X-Received: by 2002:a19:5215:: with SMTP id m21mr418002lfb.614.1625674673877; Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (37-136-219-147.rev.dnainternet.fi. [37.136.219.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s12sm1751885lfg.44.2021.07.07.09.17.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <501496A1-5671-4049-BF8B-0E24E8A48CBC@commscope.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 19:17:51 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , "bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B4656DD-A379-4230-9F78-EAB87B13D2ED@gmail.com> References: <20210621210048.628befdb@hermes.local> <38CC4C4D-AE42-4629-8472-16BCC0DEAFEA@gmx.de> <383273DA-3700-469D-9FE2-524C9D21C4DA@cable.comcast.com> <501496A1-5671-4049-BF8B-0E24E8A48CBC@commscope.com> To: "Wheelock, Ian" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Really getting 1G out of ISP? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2021 16:17:55 -0000 > On 7 Jul, 2021, at 12:27 pm, Wheelock, Ian = wrote: >=20 > It is entirely possible through the mechanics of DOCSIS provisioning = that AQM could be enabled or disabled on different CMs or groups of CMs. = Doing so would be rather petty and may add additional unnecessary = complexity to the provisioning system. Users that own their CMs are = still paying for the internet access with the specific ISP, so would = likely expect equivalent performance. Entirely true, but for the ISP the matter of whether the subscriber is = using a rented or self-owned modem is not entirely petty - it is the = difference of a line item on the monthly bill. I'm sure you can see how = the perverse incentives arise with that. - Jonathan Morton=