From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A35A3CB44 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 06:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id r63-v6so11696180wma.4 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:48:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heistp.net; s=google; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=8D4JCkgOUdMWf/aq8uN4wiy2LH8EaBwG0P/FHTrA6QI=; b=P6cabRRJKBUweat2WZGJXMMz+CD6aKHMk3ZQPXuWyRh3VLn2AWhp70NLALf0EWzGUq nZgMMpedK4uvjO2ozSpyfqDXsMrh7xbh1PCnQpLBXuQuw0pXsLcYmIg1WuLPmzTcBAeB gRENOzJl7C4YHKjF81wMfdH60NDvaWA3Vc9wCCQw03ojENCa3LzuvmU6iJtJr0gGRarh 5a6aNvHeiSHP7E45Nvyxdibhixfq7/Kp8HpFt85K+yPAXS3es2Ysu5DsYqRPpOKjB1S4 o9DYffnhD2fjSWxPCeMUqcBs5Rz8VV2kMi/tuaEdIdPGjk3PTXBpKYyWplkpwPbbrMKA kglw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=8D4JCkgOUdMWf/aq8uN4wiy2LH8EaBwG0P/FHTrA6QI=; b=VHrn/BQ5OqtKZzJ3xtXGXOujmreuhZJhjN9mDY2xpTBQzAR3kvPLIDt6inBb4VcJVf QWcBmwI3soVl4edFZhvsaMjU0JQD0WJkZ672FTwmUh8LmQQCDec4xq3pe5IPBAgq8XHj WfCS4CgMxsO+Q32jIcMbKru9yv85TlZjzxCT6GQhOXc12n4TmwwSW5Dz/wl5K2MpFYyS wzEfBLhN70dMMfVsxLucZxXvU0fJOoM03enTkPUo9gqOjvt5ke++T5wsiL4nt7PIq0cd /4b6vPDwZrv/qkwgFC0JTD79rLuziKpGlzESAzfahh6QEaud04oD0MGIPPWG6AluiTYC RjXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJmnnbxRttMq+ZlE0k+RP9rjvqomCF3Jb3deAXNKXeIijSnNzdc dtvNKwTblilL8TLn8BeYqx0llg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cBehKS/KDZn4YtcGmZoDcIFHCxOOzc+6M0yJsG2T2tS+SVsLSlfLGS/Fjh28Gb+k/7+vnrQA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f81:: with SMTP id 123-v6mr13180208wmp.37.1542973679245; Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tron.luk.heistp.net (h-1169.lbcfree.net. [185.193.85.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x14sm31573366wrm.65.2018.11.23.03.47.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Nov 2018 03:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: Pete Heist Message-Id: <6C1479A8-43E8-4F89-BCEA-1D28CA3E8589@heistp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F63D47AA-BF0F-4ECF-B6C4-2924AC75DA3B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 12:47:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: bloat To: Dave Taht References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] one benefit of turning off shaping + fq_codel X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:48:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F63D47AA-BF0F-4ECF-B6C4-2924AC75DA3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 13, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > It turns out we are contributing to global warming. >=20 > = https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Routing-Switching/USG-temperature/m-p/= 2547046/highlight/true#M115060 = Would it be right to say that the biggest opportunity for reducing = consumption is to avoid shaping, i.e. by adding BQL-like functionality = to all classes of device drivers, and/or by deploying congestion control = globally that avoids the need for it? Other ideas: move queue management into hardware, power network = equipment with renewables, or just use the Internet less. :) Pete (I noticed an audience member brought this up in Toke=E2=80=99s thesis = defense)= --Apple-Mail=_F63D47AA-BF0F-4ECF-B6C4-2924AC75DA3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On = Nov 13, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

It turns out we are contributing to global warming.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Routing-Switching/USG-tempe= rature/m-p/2547046/highlight/true#M115060

Would it = be right to say that the biggest opportunity for reducing consumption is = to avoid shaping, i.e. by adding BQL-like functionality to all classes = of device drivers, and/or by deploying congestion control globally that = avoids the need for it?

Other ideas: = move queue management into hardware, power network equipment with = renewables, or just use the Internet less. :)

Pete

(I noticed an audience member brought this up in = Toke=E2=80=99s thesis defense)
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