From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com (mail-lj1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A78173CB35 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id h21so12106269ljk.13 for ; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 09:20:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=sOVpa+SkSiMZ8ngSrtsfDv4pNrl+BSc9sw7tPtntAXE=; b=Nam8OnEcQFKi3fuDkz8bPshhd0Z4loO4Vjqm1sgTVr1NgIGCqY3IQ2JxK/0nSEpypm eB0EaeH/I78IRzQGR5DssdN9nQ/th7SDQ99kobXcTHmQOC3Nc+IM3Lsl0/f5qmRRHhk5 KujwjH2iK5zOZtAfMztxn0G0Y8mMpGqbvowCUpjk8/Wt+Z9MBpNn3KGZHluSIacyY55G fXMZPSotv0KFzftqu6/HTxFildx+DqaXyTMFE4d3WQxE1zcwKWZJkMbgW2fc/b8c9PI5 mE5M2bRw0AC4EoqvuHz4g5UUOrSSjHICxfBN1455M1wsw49/ZLnYxYoaZoTwT1SPtzt8 8q0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=sOVpa+SkSiMZ8ngSrtsfDv4pNrl+BSc9sw7tPtntAXE=; b=U47MleuhQppE6qDtQaNNfepgj2X6m/baBXS+aIDb+2kPul80Kld07up0ITVekCAzqA yDSEAZHeubDlIrPP11DXPshSdGBI10TEVMNnYnYUm4jLZKJ4ysjhO1zLdN8WGOnSQDuE xvlwUSSQHfDspjZi7YhamXcErQ1eCh2aJvw/rw2UlqYzGkgHW2hZVPAMG1SoSVn80+dj mXNUDuc3qeItd0+Gp85CaAqbSdf31X8HDLLb233W9MDqtJfiYX/9E/VZyOmoLtOHxGic Kc6jsziAJE6wJWXnIM0g33W8eust6dWw89F9RHfgkfkNkfQIKmE0B+zA1dUwSynuNm2h lxLA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUdg4HpbQqTlZYrSIFyULpdLVkkjcKGY6gflExfScHMDJYZMfDJ dPGWsBn6Qf4Wkad4/G+lg4k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqynql9qPQTexAkKfv3acEYl7gaYV1sZmdO+/AmSVdELSa106/5fM7vQBzouoAUgA7tQvbdsgQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b016:: with SMTP id y22mr201038ljk.133.1554222006616; Tue, 02 Apr 2019 09:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-226-9-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.226.9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y3sm2529104lfh.12.2019.04.02.09.20.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Apr 2019 09:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:20:04 +0300 Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , Sebastian Moeller , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D75E451-C656-49FB-AAAA-CE51559463AB@gmail.com> References: To: Jonathan Foulkes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] number of home routers with ingress AQM X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 16:20:07 -0000 > On 2 Apr, 2019, at 5:14 pm, Jonathan Foulkes = wrote: >=20 > But the good new is we have ISP customers rolling them out at a good = clip. > Turns out that having a sane traffic manager at the HGW on every node = of a DSLAM is very good for the DSLAM, the backhaul and the actual = users, who quit screaming at the ISP ;-) This is very encouraging to hear, not least that there are measurable = technical benefits to the ISP as well as (more obviously) to the = immediate user. How big are your marketing plans? :-) - Jonathan Morton