From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E421D3B2A4 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 02:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id n138so1736576wmg.2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:09:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3+q9mwPRYkT9DlQebM3DDvDFk+7kSORG2mrmWxoMlVA=; b=jZh6yMshu/p1CGVLdQFP/G9swHU+c7HSXbpDghLjomM+/H+JxKb8pA/SKtNZhcxW2G nVk/3WBJeLzFWz5FdQTLY1sKWmYLcAIwwUDGAVuc1InZiyO3Blsk2aHnnGAC67nleqBI /TyxuWLDzdXZFAHQ9P++npmgf8uNdV11NucWW6WTcoGreN9ZZ0OSGzCSM66JgCJ51J4K QEqOKHkL9OENN0qe1CfoZLHhCUpIcG+UDu4+Q7fEdvCgJQS9ltatN7Z/1dtSKDcFbxz5 +ZjADVW4WbRODev6AxuuAWBf9smye+1rKy9aDQ2YlnaK6YOR1nQt7ouuqb8gw6Hj2hjs ksmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3+q9mwPRYkT9DlQebM3DDvDFk+7kSORG2mrmWxoMlVA=; b=cwllhoQ6ZlCaDnodgCZvWPyX8dJ4yQEizMwtv19HPX/4oJBIe0Fkq1MV/xFNvXWJkh 5QYMSTtlf15K7C7eH+/0WS/oejP69DpLpVh+TrF3m5Bc4XFtTUsZuD19z7bo4/DUSKI5 xed1TXf09TrLtIbyKkzptuqJBLAz7KCUr7oOhTOxVW7zYuD80xeU87zCSczG05kqNf9Y 8uo69WPhMBVTtBbca2wghutCpWZ6d/puJZGyfdg0/gaqIy5vN7LkHwqRm9wtASMmEY+V AJRZJn/UUXY1hZqJOZs31ehjyYBMafo+if2ITN0HGZE2fTTPxTrtBBM6qmZiy9VmhFiN 43ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6inEijP+sYYWLChkAKBH5vGkxjbbovGxmiv7swJFLrk+cweWrO Bw07jnYu0HUM1v1+Wwb4zW2kzdfT X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbZr3Q0LRNnLI0o/g7VpzyPHGMCJqeDbWeQ1qbFO2FxVCcVHFCXUOCtZHmih9rtamh4eV1cng== X-Received: by 10.80.144.178 with SMTP id c47mr16940542eda.188.1512112177848; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from zotac.xperim.be ([91.177.64.56]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w13sm4447927edk.46.2017.11.30.23.09.37 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.9.184] (unknown [192.168.9.184]) by zotac.xperim.be (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5CAD480FA5; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:09:35 +0100 (CET) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <4D0E907C-E15D-437C-B6F7-FF348346D615@gmx.de> <7B92DF4D-B6B5-4A64-9E10-119DCA2D4A6F@ifi.uio.no> <1512037480.19682.10.camel@gmail.com> From: Jan Ceuleers Message-ID: <6b494910-1373-afb0-5b93-99b725391fb3@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:09:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] benefits of ack filtering X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 07:09:39 -0000 On 01/12/17 01:28, David Lang wrote: > Stop thinking in terms of single-flow benchmarks and near idle > 'upstream' paths. Nobody has said it so I will: on wifi-connected endpoints the upstream acks also compete for airtime with the downstream flow.