From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A9103CB37 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:30:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1667226645; bh=c0izQuSEFFRwexpQtyDweJnoQDrnktHAKTpo6/Dd6MU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=cqWwl6mEDquMo3D3ZNYnIsEWAmt7dcIoR8ylLp1NZTBYGuGA/u9MVENXP4eIaUfPp l3bJ2MlxtulogFUrt9m44Iet0CH3n7ZL3Ln6hIIySIE9j/GVSW/WjEbBouxbjt2bfc 3WLFSCqGtXFNTBtC+QjBtI0bEuHtmCgwo+F4711if2PyT911X+N4ijgBY5HSkcCYTC mGiJIXzAm/85xl+a0oXo9ANRyvb1w3Nqo/pT4ujyG0Mcjc5NyQVReAVpoqkE349xQV q6LqWLuPxBETAaMRYQLPXhhqXUDzOXaBaFzLSOX4wOKuItJkCsbGtYKiVxXFxsy0SJ FJf0TqxxxATww== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([77.8.83.169]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MpDNf-1pOr6I1rax-00qghO; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:30:45 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:30:41 +0100 From: Sebastian Moeller To: "Livingood, Jason" , "Livingood, Jason via Bloat" , "jf@jonathanfoulkes.com" , Dave Taht , bloat User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <57346CC6-A46B-45D0-A47E-AF96BA95519B@cable.comcast.com> References: <57346CC6-A46B-45D0-A47E-AF96BA95519B@cable.comcast.com> Message-ID: <70141C3D-0CFF-4F5E-AA83-823775B2AD7C@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----WSXS5FIDFFLTX6D6T4E4MST68JWFHJ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jJVld7uSYYk8PhS84+TQX9ylZznfDBGVLMz+HUbOdQzZrQqqEU2 pzbYNL/FQ0a6Ayexvyw2Hsq5yNF+8yeUGzUuSND7BcJwVUi86LlPnzm3WtYoHRCCU+C28r9 ERW4MTwXXIo2lgryRjdZ56oHIKnfooijH9wtURByf9nkq9XFKUg+7bfGxzUT9dAgb/bXgQ5 Aaifcvj3SQyGKZVfC0HuQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:brfhVk7pQa4=;4kV1HgQ6e4JLkfMnAMufjgNXA4N uQb+07w7EVszpsJTaMW58DkZZs53aLgyDr/BOgZKwgt3IDEJKEMOZCQF0TRgqS2/azs3obOYv 87aSBwatRBzMXqpxtrp46wKQldh0yD0hrmEk2FN0OdFf//5pS1ZDsnEeuOkwLQIRYjY8/aw8Q 9XGl3Vp5m0yLqtT7peV/9gbSLPKtbbcJNHJopkkCCsuPlU/CJap+YVWXhVpxcDkfyL6wmqBhF MRftv178EUEJRaA/sPEXGScTuTF2Oam2hQOX8Do3DwaQAKelyx4XM/kC8g7Lg7ztlZ2KPdx3B pNHxX7dBqOsYcktwUPWOuEuzf/9gIuWX+O3O9Xik4NqaCegAc7X06gpzor5qR5cBnKygwaiP8 y8VPHHPmNx+bC56U/Z81IXayJ+eFXvh+tNF5zTjZi89Oey7Z0muN7kAk1jzYE9gsVjdQd8jDH VWkro0sYVKO75YlqQBtIvzEDR0g75gLQnfvwPNBUYQUTIT5K7onYH/5UFMMNB70O1TfgS/q0w vy9vz4UnJ6LmzvhCJtISKtibAJ8oQSSHKLB2p5rNbwco2hG1kGqClhHVnS7nQTAWzSZ79D7cn F6yCyqw2DbB4b8LKD7LDpGshydmJnzoeFH/SxTkOo3MCBJJGpG9o78bcqfjQD/8tkfPS7L+TL BIgk1Rnrke/rLVL4hzSZ9fdZ+kIuaJ2PnZiVSLFVdJ+3zaF96GfUCgBVsRFRq37LQeaeIOUTE cWNF4hF7WCnBI0HXGXA0Kug5ZaruHkDwwSTfrkCkjNtbJOuqLdiD3f4wxvAddbIa+sisVp+Do s4d14yCLOux0APadS41mBQ8dxIZdk9JmBcfBZ1qJxiO5nRrHu0qUs8Kl111DtJGpVlWKFGqJE tvSYgPw+PAmKEDdqrfArAiAOQBOHO0c5RLrSlIMjqKci5mBpMNZIaX93Fe7PDHLfTrhbaWBPi cFuWXkIrA9KOjbfrq72+kNbHYfc= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Measuring 5G Bloat (Was 5G going south) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:30:54 -0000 ------WSXS5FIDFFLTX6D6T4E4MST68JWFHJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great news and generous offer! Quick note: for OpenWrt there seems to exist an installable package in the= main repository for a software ATLAS node=2E I operate one on my turris om= nia since a few years, always convenient to have ATLAS credits for measurem= ents=2E=2E=2E=2E Regards Sebastian On 31 October 2022 15:21:48 CET, "Livingood, Jason via Bloat" wrote: >FWIW - I'm working with a few measurement networks and researchers that a= re very soon deploying measurement probes - in the US - on 5G fixed wireles= s access connections and LEO (Starlink)=2E These probes range on the low en= d from RIPE Atlas to higher end RPi-based probes=2E If you are interested i= n hosting one of these probes email me OFF-LIST: >- Your name=20 >- Your shipping address >- Your ISP name [FWA or LEO] > >Some of these researchers are ready to ship probes in a couple of weeks a= nd I'll have a bunch of RIPE Atlas probes ready to ship in about a month=2E > >Thanks! >Jason > >=EF=BB=BFOn 10/28/22, 17:10, "Bloat on behalf of jf--- via Bloat" wrote: > > We=E2=80=99ve observed growing variability on some TMHI setups from o= ur fleet, and it seems there is a correlation to usage growth on a single t= ower=2E Seems neighbors talk to hear other after all ;-) > > And yes, horrible bufferbloat on these variable capacity links=2E > > > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > > reliability does one have? > > It seems none ATM, as it really depends on user density vs tower capa= city=2E Woe to those that share a tower with a busy highway, =E2=80=98rush = hour=E2=80=99 likely means low capacity and even higher latencies=2E > > Cheers, > > Jonathan Foulkes > > > > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat wrote: > >=20 > > This had some details as to the things that could go wrong from an > > initial happy install of t-mobile, to something terrible=2E > >=20 > > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > > reliability does one have? > >=20 > > https://urldefense=2Ecom/v3/__https://blog=2Enetworkprofile=2Eorg/r= edundant-wan-ditching-t-mobile-5g-for-verizon-5g/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso= 3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K= 7-U5YFaQA$ =20 > >=20 > > (both services had horrible bufferbloat) > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > > https://urldefense=2Ecom/v3/__https://www=2Elinkedin=2Ecom/posts/dt= aht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665607352320-FXtz__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPm= yvCVso3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia= 5Gx94K79bh-A5Hw$ =20 > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet > > https://urldefense=2Ecom/v3/__https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/lis= tinfo/bloat__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HK= uLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7_OsL72IQ$ =20 > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet > https://urldefense=2Ecom/v3/__https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listi= nfo/bloat__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuL= eCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7_OsL72IQ$ =20 > >_______________________________________________ >Bloat mailing list >Bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/bloat --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------WSXS5FIDFFLTX6D6T4E4MST68JWFHJ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great news and generous offer!

Quick note: = for OpenWrt there seems to exist an installable package in the main reposit= ory for a software ATLAS node=2E I operate one on my turris omnia since a f= ew years, always convenient to have ATLAS credits for measurements=2E=2E=2E= =2E

Regards
Sebastian

= On 31 October 2022 15:21:48 CET, "Livingood, Jason via Bloat" <bloat@lis= ts=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote:
FWIW - I'm working with a few measureme=
nt networks and researchers that are very soon deploying measurement probes=
 - in the US - on 5G fixed wireless access connections and LEO (Starlink)=
=2E These probes range on the low end from RIPE Atlas to higher end RPi-bas=
ed probes=2E If you are interested in hosting one of these probes email me =
OFF-LIST:
- Your name 
- Your shipping address
- Your ISP name [FW=
A or LEO]

Some of these researchers are ready to ship probes in a co=
uple of weeks and I'll have a bunch of RIPE Atlas probes ready to ship in a=
bout a month=2E

Thanks!
Jason

=EF=BB=BFOn 10/28/22, 17:10,=
 "Bloat on behalf of jf--- via Bloat" <bloat-bounces@lists=2Ebufferbloat=
=2Enet on behalf of bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote:

    W=
e=E2=80=99ve observed growing variability on some TMHI setups from our flee=
t, and it seems there is a correlation to usage growth on a single tower=2E=
 Seems neighbors talk to hear other after all ;-)

    And yes, horri=
ble bufferbloat on these variable capacity links=2E

The author switched to verizon, but what g=
uarantees of continued
reliability does one have?

  =
  It seems none ATM, as it really depends on user density vs tower capacity=
=2E Woe to those that share a tower with a busy highway, =E2=80=98rush hour=
=E2=80=99 likely means low capacity and even higher latencies=2E

   =
 Cheers,

    Jonathan Foulkes


On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat <=
;bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote:

This had some details as=
 to the things that could go wrong from an
initial happy install of t-mo=
bile, to something terrible=2E

The author switched to verizon, but w=
hat guarantees of continued
reliability does one have?

https://urldefense=2Ecom/v3/__https://blog=2Enetworkprofile=2Eorg/redu=
ndant-wan-ditching-t-mobile-5g-for-verizon-5g/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!DZPmyvCVso3V5=
VJsCmkvtzgtr5uBLoBSFpjGmKungaWqn5HKuLeCMgmCPiPY0rYPhiQN3Dl6jLyoUia5Gx94K7-U=
5YFaQA$  

(both services had horrible bufferbloat)


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