From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 425003B29E for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.226]) by resqmta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id SLjoj6OM4O7TqSNDfj6Rgs; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:59:55 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1587830395; bh=VH9fcmH/NaQHjBaSzWmXTS+D3Op/hcMfeBmdhz/lYAQ=; h=Received:Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b4YUUttK6LOQ3dbxtbbUR8Tui/Tk7abAChMp+/NAB2JFiZsKfDGWNpv4mncuctW9m d7W30Go1jgZJGyBBzxTIWx//EC3q7aCkO6WIS5TBshnpwrHIM0mfa+w2dtEt/aXEUl 18AlNdxIj6GzlZR1awySp9I4PLmyuzCIUmIcXher9mgHyJ48V8PLDvYDn2C9Euz60c pmoarqua4+fJdh+ZdWAnKY5B5IeeLGc+4bfEQQmCn7C+LxtXzse9WHaPpnhxdN60Fs KTSNFB5zxCtaNKREJ0zZow++sze97OVqlxtrKaSxTP74sDSYJ2QAojkPTlS+jUtC02 /Gc5C+aPmSeeA== Received: from home.sewingwitch.com ([IPv6:2601:644:1:6c10::3f1]) by resomta-po-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id SNDejaa76x2cOSNDejTfCe; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:59:55 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0.00;st=legit Received: from [10.96.7.39] ([10.96.7.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by home.sewingwitch.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 03PFxlFm028097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:59:48 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 home.sewingwitch.com 03PFxlFm028097 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sewingwitch.com; s=default; t=1587830388; bh=VH9fcmH/NaQHjBaSzWmXTS+D3Op/hcMfeBmdhz/lYAQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=ihPS98nHc7CgSvuZi4P7Ew2VLPDwE3r9UbArqEJPQEz4Dvk9EwA+onH3pCtkb+zR/ DzA89gMAk89NB5wLrJibI5fnRFKD4d2DWfeR7GjMZ0u1ytARixkgNZoWqa9egEZZfY scJqBK3sVeE8OzVFtx+/9y5QCTkmsZzSVU8wXP10= To: bloat References: <431A84397F3D9C1EB097BCCE@[172.27.17.193]> <6F1F3C646A7DFD2CC8C9E79E@172.27.17.193> <0B51625096F92AF18CD397D9@[172.27.17.193]> <8f4566dd-def0-cd97-45db-577784f90efd@sewingwitch.com> <9FDDBB5C-68CF-45B1-85D8-3A7BD6CB9F31@gmail.com> <3D2F4A70BAB1774D1EFDC641@[172.27.17.193]> <025E1E0E1D49D3C95FFD4035@[172.27.17.193]> <03E39523-C125-4A03-A514-30CA4E361225@gmail.com> From: Kenneth Porter Message-ID: <72d4d4a4-ad29-cdd8-0bf5-2413c7c845de@sewingwitch.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:59:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.96.0.132 Subject: Re: [Bloat] this explains speedtest stuff X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:59:56 -0000 On 4/25/2020 8:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > and the last flaw of this test series is that ken took the dslreports > "fiber" setting for the dslreports test as "The right thing". the > "fiber" test is structured to stress test an asymmetric 1gbit/100mbit > connection, not a shaped fiber connection running at 50mbit symmetric. > The number of uploads is 4, downloads, 32.... it's totally ok to pick > a given fiber/cable/whatever test, but it does help to apply the same > characteristics to more of the tests you do, if you are trying to > compare technologies. I'd be happy to test with a different set of speed test settings. Would Corporate/Edu be a better choice? In going through this exercise, I can imagine someone saying "where'd all the bandwidth I paid for go?" as we trade bandwidth for reduced latency. How do you sell that to end users? ISPs have trained people to think only in terms of raw speed (obviously that's best for an ISP's bottom line as they can upsell you the higher-priced package) and most people (outside of gamers) don't really grasp latency with the intuitiveness of speed. Maybe we need some Youtube videos showing end user experiences of the benefit of reduced latency.