From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256083B2A4 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 11:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nichols@pollere.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB6F3412F9 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a245 (unknown [127.0.0.6]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B9F38341497 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:49:37 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Seal: i=1; s=arc-2022; d=mailchannels.net; t=1667317777; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SxMZeYI5+RJjZd0pCtWdfx3KbibgjkNvoLXyyNnrvq76wIG44/syeu7kCpPwq7mTdTHC7X a9ghst//INjH+fiZB+0Das0MemvjjwPbuc6sQA1XmCPs7cxWrQwIUHF+90AiyCjrXCKN4k DlWYwSNBqytAao51G2416dafXxV0G+Ad2GOMenKRdbJpn5H8ZtdvqbcPEkT0ZqUlQGtvq2 ZUt1qfOnUxK+Bb3v50H0NlpfobzbuM1PuvTp9Soi3mX6Aw6LQ3JAecO99orWQYOVEOiqNC LmCz5UqP3ZI1gkhax6lLiWUM0zyRhzJiV3Aq4etoRmzqdIBxw9clgdgwsNU+RQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailchannels.net; s=arc-2022; t=1667317777; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=DOQC+VedT4kOywrQFjHRC5owxrzcwAjMkqCQi0QGeHA=; b=fPCmlY8kYD6HRG5OKfbaegMfGfqAEoIxnJCN90byMYu/bqBhDxXglCIxPwL5CKmutHJluL Ye/f8pIGWTU+/74lLIiE2AV9FqGgOLR4HFUy2yEPZ4pdCvIDiAT1suw5KbTWh6hjAdAQPv SecnjwVzkI4kZRwqOGbJ2dVBTKvOsO5TB53jp98yy/LOfJPOnqStzVMPjE61m9LknzeJJR ZTlcyYbAEr4F4RmojWiB27ycNYK0PINuEqi/u0AGoWA3iELxteB3T29SIRVosHQjqm8ZZD QVWJHv3PIR/8LKumTxGyYHJJuDbalO4CVfsuW5NN3qbCoHe3iR7Oqvq5rujnFg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; rspamd-7fb88f4dd5-lcf7q; auth=pass smtp.auth=dreamhost smtp.mailfrom=nichols@pollere.net X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|nichols@pollere.net X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|nichols@pollere.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Eyes-Tasty: 062af691587a6029_1667317777975_1032629115 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1667317777974:471003450 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1667317777974 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a245 (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by 100.122.64.97 (trex/6.7.1); Tue, 01 Nov 2022 15:49:37 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.28] (c-24-6-97-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.97.119]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nichols@pollere.net) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a245 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4N1vbP2zxyz4S for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 08:49:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pollere.net; s=dreamhost; t=1667317777; bh=DOQC+VedT4kOywrQFjHRC5owxrzcwAjMkqCQi0QGeHA=; h=Date:Subject:To:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xkt8Uz5zHcsPzEmJCBXCBVQsNk0oub5odrGk+bErES/e+VQPmah2xI/Qtbf0pjzLs g8D7jtmE12a7v06ffzrbfG/Qnq+3Zgm/uEvQ1mJCeaOTWxsZtQ9Z385cUF+0/s1eP8 /xkI9ZstVdeVJ0g5V5+3FZTNIVZrBowQn3+ZuP8/QiW53Q6qmJ53gkKZinKHjBibVs zfDtUT/fORyR9w4KMtIQo3MELYrCHbljoHES31uJXC+E6joUYavtC+8G/ogZ4r2pFE BiSw1E7o2mSXIWCtLf5ygmaGoipinDz1XKleov1gCVrKqE+1p6UgYZcGXZy4Qm9oS6 e8wxbDD/k/STQ== Message-ID: <72e755b8-3d81-e3f1-2869-8197548ac2f4@pollere.net> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 08:49:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.1 Content-Language: en-US To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Kathleen Nichols In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] not a bad 10 years... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2022 15:49:40 -0000 On 10/31/22 7:46 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat wrote: > I remember when I thought videoconferencing quality like this, was good. > > VJ, on Kathie's codel, and a ton of queue theory that seems to have > sunk in around the world, with a talk that still seems fresh. > > https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129 > If anyone is actually trying to watch this, the slides are at: http://pollere.net/Pdfdocs/codel.ietf-tsv.jul12.pdf