From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 251D73B29E; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB83826B; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id ED46EB9A; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA967989; Sat, 16 Mar 2019 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Sebastian Moeller cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net, "David P. Reed" , Jonathan Morton , ecn-sane@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <550B4916-FEC9-460E-BAF9-ACD125F3F6E8@gmx.de> References: <1E80578D-A589-4CA0-9015-B03B63042355@gmx.de> <27FA673A-2C4C-4652-943F-33FAA1CF1E83@gmx.de> <1552669283.555112988@apps.rackspace.com> <7412ADED-D1F3-4C15-9703-0977E087013B@gmail.com> <1552679055.131328669@apps.rackspace.com> <6A1F5DC5-F4D8-4C40-B4F6-1F03368F8219@gmail.com> <1552693438.976714769@apps.rackspace.com> <550B4916-FEC9-460E-BAF9-ACD125F3F6E8@gmx.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:56:54 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain The DSCP code points were also supposed to be local to the AS. They are *supposed* to be recoded at the edges. What is missing the diffedge protocol... MS actually implemented this in Win2K. We have no way to signal the ToS we desire with the ISP, and so they are forced to guess, and they do it wrong. I actually see this as the critical NetNeutrality issue. We *DO* want multiple classes of services, but we want to be in charge of what traffic goes into each class, not the ISP. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlyNRvQACgkQgItw+93Q 3WW3Pgf/fvEfv84MNONIxyhC4zTpUTdo1E5UDQrwj8EinYJkPF5XdHCdh+eOxTqN m0BOenrwuIY26KGexBrbB5nJTAy29THMzP68vp1ZXfOni4VU8Hj1pAm3rOn9V/TY Ai1BBkg6rbykBShghiujcpSbGxy/XMENtxAJDI/IZRSDX0IMyxYxA0DuVQWLNdtz w9a+vvp0O/WjzBfqRVlrUoJwBY16j9zVjayWWiO6aUEjAnt+CXEqkoKlFFHEZLtY VXSB1oXHugu2vS4GDSNXsZU5qNM7oD6Ql0vLDxW9VvbQF/f7U43D6Ica1ITEWV8m E/ht2qUAW745QBmJHNgIyoV6NilnMg== =E/H+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--