From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x82a.google.com (mail-qt1-x82a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 486363B29D for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 12:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt1-x82a.google.com with SMTP id z9so2751437qtj.9 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 09:05:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:reply-to:subject :content-language:to:references:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FGAdqz+4bZwvsKJkImmu5ONI5Uy8Ah4A4YNWXUJYMI8=; b=KCWLRIhOlRW0h2F/gkyulTv6WmrjBHWowPAULwaw7ziXZFeiLeAfeuvq8YDwrVSN6f EJd6OBv2tmLfw+TEM0Ak6LD9QEDGhA/HJtaO0i+uLP92RWU8vnwJkGVP72sttM1cV2+J 98jEDsKsA5h+VtDg4gygvIy+EbtjOowg3cDbtceq8rub+ZGyuRUGWspNLTICv2gwMbMf BHfJLmgrwW6KEFRCJ6vPQiwRm/sybnsPgAtNUxpmj95sodqtcbjXNfmftf67TwtRcEH6 kQ+ZoK/eWpjKyYyJ8beN6ljSaQ+e5sYFPBDIACSvSddpbuHdBUDfFBtVDuEbPzJwNARf Kmtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent :reply-to:subject:content-language:to:references:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FGAdqz+4bZwvsKJkImmu5ONI5Uy8Ah4A4YNWXUJYMI8=; b=61RahcWULRCtNPGF1WJd1HOrkFBZWvbNvCQ2xrDmjVyoQ7cCRg29if0UzQt2nJAQ7d UKsTRZhuui1y7eqaHqgSfmGwdFyituSTw26yKDLowaPPA1DSvrNsy9SyADPxxGNOoAgO 2s8Uzay4FDjb+e78X7H9sslf/k49rUVXdDmr10K1cmMD1qLpUeMtVI7cVO1bINJyMhz5 HpjdnZiPQlkBa81sPgkda1ksMc49YG6ERooJsAxx2+vQr2xvNQZemBpy0EFRmvJZD+ip FLltCFVTMo5dJDURrEieQyMJBYj6uZ79L7YKCJGCxqzNoxpOyJPAWUohKoRWRugbedgv dOqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533NDxk67Kxj/xjltP/jHKfrxfqglQ7aWy45pqB54mUDUx2JIBm9 bLyIFbncrRkvaThlPPBANJSMoSr7EUA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxP+zayR1kjdauurfOilyfvETmEC3P18qLBYNwUhchO41R+s7PkEns3vjS6KmZpB7WHqDktvA== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7252:: with SMTP id l18mr10134017qtp.9.1638983107303; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 09:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.7.123] (cpe5896306dfa2e-cm5896306dfa2c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [99.241.212.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v16sm1600877qkj.93.2021.12.08.09.05.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Dec 2021 09:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: David Collier-Brown X-Google-Original-From: David Collier-Brown Message-ID: <7613f474-d913-9a67-f405-09732852765e@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 12:05:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.0 Reply-To: davecb@spamcop.net Content-Language: en-US To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] slashdotted X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 17:05:08 -0000 Slashdot has a rating system, voted upon by engaged authors. The real trash is voted down to 0 or -1, and the dumb stuff floats around 1 or 2. My CTO reads at level 4 or 5 (;-)) --dave On 12/7/21 09:40, Dave Taht wrote: > slashdot is a language understood by mgmt? > > One poster went and checked his service (got an A on a bufferbloat > report and gave a kudos), another asked a good question about applying > sqm on top of that, the vast majority found something else to complain > about, and several (one especially) put the whole bufferbloat problem > down as a conspiracy by the ISPs to gauge and throttle users, even > when I presented the best data we had (on how much we improved wifi) > about it having been a theory failure. > > Well, maybe it is a language understood by mgmt. You have to really > sort through this sort of chaff to find the wheat, This new tool holds > some promise: https://github.com/sylvia-ou/netcheck/issues/1 > > I hope those that deploy this stuff at scale look at macro-metrics, > like reduced support calls, more than user feedback. > > The reddit conversation fared better: > https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/r7cfvg/comcast_delivers_90_working_latency_reductions_by/ > as did linked in. > > As it is, I put in a christmas wish for santa for a flame retardant suit. > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 10:44 PM Taraldsen Erik > wrote: >> Thanks for that link! Written in a language an by a source (Comcast) which my company can relate to. Posted it to our internal "facebook" main page. Hope some in the management actually picks up on this now. >> >> >> -Erik >> >> ________________________________ >> Fra: Bloat på vegne av Dave Taht >> Sendt: søndag 5. desember 2021 19.12.52 >> Til: bloat >> Emne: [Bloat] slashdotted >> >> I went to bed early yesterday, and woke up to slashdot. >> >> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/12/05/0225227/comcast-reduced-working-latency-by-90-with-aqm-is-this-the-future >> >> -- >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >> >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain