From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.de header.i=moeller0@gmx.de; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmx.de policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 776071206347 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2026 19:44:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1781372658; x=1781977458; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=r1M/xuUQcYhwmYxCAgUTPcUoPKnbywZb7y2VqfKReKY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=nfj0GC/2pI8DvcXcIDpAYiddJhiBjDWMqmZr391ZNrjEalanGApfhrCpeOmopgB4 h5rh4jHfs5n8y2diydrDktbS6Toq+rwFvl5U4GxlP2k0zIz5KakQwn9hI8uzBqqGW 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= problem - the fix is a smarter queue=E2=80=9D... (make sure your ad = blocker is turned on) Just pointing out they picked the fast.com test as = example fir a traditional throughput biased test and said it reported 6 = ms as latency, totally ignoring the loaded latency number of 108 sitting = just right of the idle latency number... Sure fast.com = is incomplete as it does not report upstream loaded = latency (you can configure it to measure both down and up loaded = latency, but it will report these in the same field, so overwriting the = download loaded latency with the upload one*). *) The issue has been reported to netflix in the past but they clearly = for understandable reasons are more interested in simple reporting for = the direction that is relevant for their business than trying to figure = out how to report one more number... >=20 > = https://www.makeuseof.com/diagnosed-wi-fi-problems-with-free-test-that-spe= ed-tests-cant-show/=EF=BF=BC > There's a free test that reveals exactly why your internet feels slow = =E2=80=94 even when the speed test says it's fine > makeuseof.com >=20 >=20 >> On Jun 12, 2026, at 08:49, Rich Brown = wrote: >>=20 >> I regularly receive email alerts from alerts.google.com for = =E2=80=9Cbufferbloat=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Chigh ping time=E2=80=9D. My = inbox receives daily notes with links to Reddit articles asking, = =E2=80=9Ccould this really be bufferbloat?=E2=80=9D, and occasional = announcements of =E2=80=9Cthe BEST gaming router of 2025/2026/2027...=E2=80= =9D >>=20 >> I saw an interesting review today [1]: I don=E2=80=99t put any = particular credence in their rankings of the various routers, but I = found it delightful that this was the first point in the entire article: >>=20 >> * Ping spikes during gaming are usually caused by home network = congestion, not ISP speed, and a gaming router with quality of service = (QoS) or SQM directly fixes that >>=20 >> Dave would be so pleased that Bufferbloat and SQM are finally = entering mainstream consciousness. >>=20 >> [1] = https://www.analyticsinsight.net/gaming/best-gaming-routers-in-2026-for-lo= w-latency-and-high-speed-performance >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list -- bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to bloat-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net