From: Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com>
To: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] SQM Settings for Bonded DSL?
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:16:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7C6CFE9E-7051-4CB5-8C03-6CA722D4E9C2@jonathanfoulkes.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F56B2F89-8709-4DFC-AD4A-60EAA1167981@gmx.de>
Hi Rich, Sebastian,
Most bonded modems do a good job of making the line look just like a single, higher-capacity line. The only major issues I’ve observed is when the bonded lines have some asymmetry to them (e.g. one link has weaker SNR), then the bond drops, re-synchs and continues. But occasionally, it will run for extended periods at 50% capacity (i.e. on only one of the lines).
It uses PMT protocols, so not at all like mwan3, as any one connection can achieve full throughput of the bonded set.
I have data on hundreds of bonded lines, and other than the scenarios I mentioned above about bad bonds, as far as SQM goes, it behaves just like any other DSL line of equal capacity. So all the same guidelines would apply.
I hope that helps,
Jonathan Foulkes
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Rich,
>
>
>
>> On Jun 21, 2018, at 13:08, Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Our local DSL ISP (Consolidated Communications, Inc, formerly Fairpoint) recently installed a Smart/RG SR555ac (https://www.smartrg.com/sr555ac) bonded ADSL2 modem.
>>
>> I seem to remember earlier messages stating that the dual queues in the DSL modem screwed up (or, de-optimized) the SQM in the router.
>
> As far as I can see this should not really cause an issue (besides that latency for single packets will be limited by the fact that you have two half-total-bandwidth links) except maybe that there might be additional overhead for the bonding on the link, but I have never looked at channel bonding so this is pure spekulation. I assume here that your Modem handles the bonding transparently. I could envision that running an non-transparent load-balancer (like with mwan3 under openwrt) might introduce issues for sqm, but if all you see is one ethernet link to the modem I do not expect any major quirks (except latency not being in line with the expectancy from total bandwidth).
>
>>
>> The web GUI does provide info on SNR, sync rates, etc. Any advice for SQM beyond the standard, "measure the no-SQM speed, then start at 5% below..."? Thanks.
>
> I am curius myself and would like to ask you to keep me/the list posted on whatever you find out about the applicability of sqm to bonding.
>
> Best Regards
> Sebastian
>
>
>>
>> Rich
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Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-21 11:08 Rich Brown
2018-06-21 11:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-06-21 13:16 ` Jonathan Foulkes [this message]
2018-06-21 13:35 ` Sebastian Moeller
2018-06-21 14:09 ` Rich Brown
2018-06-21 11:15 ` Arie
2018-06-21 18:10 ` David Lang
2018-06-22 3:05 ` Rich Brown
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