From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CEC33CB37 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 04:47:39 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1708940846; x=1709545646; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=yEpi3Axq12+Zj4mggSMX2jU//EshGv1AUqyxmUrGpio=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References: To; b=jv/Ow+0hikxa0aijLWlF50vYTQY+edaox5F3Vg7E5SiWVA5Q7N/YoT91I1CCXFvJ p+aroKydmhsOTzMdG4bjSqAicyblHukoOLM99w/kTb0cCk9wxX+AbGdGZNEdXwl+P JHZwkBbE67guJLvmbSKps+4j5IO20H6d8F2rq2OyOwasYiM6i0ZtX4UvP0hUANZU2 nvyxHKYgbHUuBDBSTfiMTHCZ2T0jMDTn8Hch1PN59hKe6qavjYksR8flm77TTCHqa 4+47WGs7iIIXomMs0lQQeAdqQlbUlC81f6kfX/aflzRACP8ufLHJoqN0tfddtpQAQ OdWoDorjHOgBrAQEbQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mn2WF-1rE2BN2WoR-00k7h5; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:47:26 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <20240226092405.GB18166@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:47:16 +0100 Cc: Rich Brown , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7E95C000-5972-4ED2-B639-DDAEA2B08309@gmx.de> References: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> <20240226092405.GB18166@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> To: Erik Auerswald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+oLECAUb+ekzhTyuwvtETx00bgGdu4I2MjwPnPArizPmwBra5ox PAImgRzdPw60mbCwHhHXYvxAgkNBlPvmBfiq2mm/1YazaXMPuuAWZdIMPrbYL/iaPJs4Q4m eCQQ7eBkeHRAqgnjHEWlbsE614rlACsVkWd6Eagt41XkEI9TUUcFqrj9ajrK9y9Tjup4tKk mYE+jpPllbP6BiD0XxIsw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:zYuXzUIyYDQ=;gdX59rzuWnu5p6wMCiAEk+V1YYu y+2EddDAzKMbvkUUkl/gB4/VFm+d2/W64yWrUmwOsxBqzpjIVaKELewXdp8l8jTCmxx0wLQwP 58llpOJrtmg/IXTgADokP8M2n0eEHJhyewBAzPDufwc599Y7efoZCYNhwQVBIhmfkPo3e6QH5 ZKb1t3iHJ4tQJFGdXUrnvN2wAoQ0W2zV0DJRDez02Y85+8aVnaCs43cZCWogsuLK9YlrVUzTk 2W90CpslMpWeJOsW3R30agYZaNH68tSin/njb9hs687dJ/O8SGYLKTqXntZS2XcswJhw5yiGo ocQh6eEwQDTDAxljGLxFd9S9fRgvW+H3ySu53N8OIjQujKlLIpoHpgqDBJFHv+EXK7hwzIhA9 pA2N3Awta2J5j4KlCFm9yJOitElLRhjX5lCFgvw5cSFQyXJMVUVeT1/be6XIMr9PiujGycu5f L7pNl4q0l6aDlyG6GQFImx+Q/bcYtuX6LLAXK1Sd/yNknhiDDpckS6cnVSb656pgb82W/hYh/ pBWHmptGaVQY980BLndCx5zQbu8i06qNegRBHxYlH2ptJky3uNxUIE2NsNbxN/Mbdh6SCws5b S0s+LjN8z3+3W+Eakx0dfSPjwUgE3k5y2/RhxxjcQA/Fl6YcYA+oN8sH7FrClLNZoIHEqVGh3 mPJjf5rf1ALmHDAMZzR2AjwWMaTxVUfguFHQGyrkIEqY2+lcgWHlDBrYM9wVCrHmrxt8LSLd4 vedgpPkyrzgUbZTIbkMXXxnwUONcTqKL/eNvkt4ZJyZWmgKUfGbYSZgatOkx//XJLkr8zTDuS m37UjXhHaoFKrJuY1Fv++w0r8kLZpPT/CFbcQsVSsPWrs= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Disappointment on "Best Newcomer Router" front X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 09:47:39 -0000 Mmmh, > On 26. Feb 2024, at 10:24, Erik Auerswald via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Rich Brown via Bloat wrote: >> [...] >> Then they plug the new router's WAN port into their ISP modem's port, >> connect their laptop's Ethernet to the LAN port, point their browser = to >> "openwrt.lan" >=20 > How about "openwrt.local" to conform to mDNS (RFC 6762) and IANA's > [special-use domain names][1]? Or perhaps "openwrt.internal" in the > future? Or perhaps openwrt.home.arpa...? I think openwrt.local shouldd not be = used, because .local is reserved for mDNS, no? OpenWrt defaults to .lan, and .lan is one of the top ten 'leaking' TLDs = already, we should simply< agree never to assign the 10 (or 15 or = whatever) highest leaking fake TLD as true TLDs, and problem solved, = without requiring any more bike shedding from IANA, ICAN, ARPA, ... I am sure that, as pragmatic as it might be, is not going to happen... = Perhaps because someone intends to convert one/more of the leaking fake = TLDs into real TLDs? > [1]: = https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-doma= in-names.xhtml >=20 >> [...] >=20 > Br, > Erik > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat