From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0CF23B2A4 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 07:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id g10so3257430qkl.6 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:36:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uB6ZBy9rrR7hQewowsmLsNSL9FHctJAd7VBjmV0KBvI=; b=O6gJz/+xvxvbZbGpWmkzWLfsteeVSIF/T6eM5tsYGGxU4zeECMpcMYltm22/IOfIBF i6v+UYhK1VQyhPhsoE2J91Gs9BYY3f0DTvSerCZPk/j3TXqpbp90MkczWbRjxxa0zNEW iq1joSx+1MqoBCgsMhrLUXxLSaKJzagwmAvRU1a3QDUhyA3XJ+c6h5MxYudQVMvbmVej iSgS3mXpuOJd+4Ip3RFdziHi0xFZq0Kk5rz786gx3bg4/CK19UdfPCHSLiolnpJbfTKc pumm3fFPu0887W4doMqO9B2MACxqqGRkqpb4AYKIUDGXvlzeoi6JEbp0qt8/QyYiHUT5 QcyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uB6ZBy9rrR7hQewowsmLsNSL9FHctJAd7VBjmV0KBvI=; b=eALjx3ZjFJvHK0prKx7zC6ydu7b+4z3DDHbLrNbwvGCtvNkz9jXE2qszEUdifLI3fg Oc8UP2ECCjsXYZxoAsvm6Z8tP/PE+YeEIk7CWESluFoqQ0CJXsJ9fZ7LMhVUlkrm272Z /OCYRBQsRejKbrmvnopqzRMTs0FS28j/meJEWbZ+HUdPjATDAfjgqsifJr5ydnCvhrTm N2awfSUzaStR8XeBF07HZLifenBD9ZSo8xQzAcRMHCXdjC+B/CS6vIFTjfjQk8AqhozU 4ClzY5MfMlamsbBYDJ3Uzq3BKh0teUl+XdTck0vfVP/S7MYoNxUklnq4TrVp7UZH/2i7 U75w== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pmdGBK3BbnChrTlSzSPrdI4B56+KvgarAnuUO30J61mTCnz3JMH cgaPRI8fMFvswCmFYShuwZ56ub+4hHQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf7szpLZUpO4oY4SgjY/QkQs5BoujS3sTSEyW8uHdCEexLS8r5VBwFmsgFKz5g4mMwCSSU8VRA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:915:b0:6fa:2e7c:fc67 with SMTP id v21-20020a05620a091500b006fa2e7cfc67mr5393620qkv.440.1668774987418; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f14-20020a05622a114e00b003434d3b5938sm1968372qty.2.2022.11.18.04.36.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:36:27 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Message-Id: <7F6137DB-DB43-4073-9140-27E875BF1A6B@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 07:36:26 -0500 To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Subject: [Bloat] FCC requires broadband "Nutritional Label" X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:36:28 -0000 Forwarded from NANOG list: > The effective date will be determined later, after publication in the=20= > Federal Register and OMB review under PRA. >=20 > November 17, 2022?The Federal Communications Commission today > unveiled new rules that will for the first time require broadband=20 > providers to display easy-tounderstand labels to allow consumers to=20 > comparison shop for broadband services. The Report and Order approved = by=20 > the Commission creates rules that require broadband providers to > display, at the point of sale, labels that show key information = consumers=20 > want?prices, speeds,fees, data allowances, and other critical=20 > information. The labels resemble the well-known nutrition labels that=20= > appear on food products. >=20 > = https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-requires-broadband-providers-display-labe= ls-help-consumers-0 Even though the label only specifies "typical latency", I have a sense = that this is a good step forward. If your ISP specifies 5 msec as = "typical" and their crummy router is bloated, can you get a repair if = you call them and say that it's averaging 150msec?=20 At what point does the expense of handling all the tech support calls = outweigh the expense of actually making (and deploying) good routers?