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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87in6ohm30.fsf@toke.dk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha384; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="roSThQkCz8gU6dvcTRyLLEMLwQ20iU1ev" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YNAemPcPsK3RwN794zhGDDFcXldApp6+ka/boJOID7CUEc79ZnR 4MdT0ByvMJLy7L9WO2elJKjCL9yDjWK8wOF3KawabAM3xmlZi4U978v5OGS0bbCfcxwmS77 xKcnkMTrXsV9Ze8G/yViPbC38rvqiQXVKlq7H9fZulm1fwFSvXtDXBZhq+vOWuAXd+PyHG+ EzpOXwpwrZJCMzI4Yn7cQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:tHGX5Q7g1h0=:5zm5lNRQoAm7v4kCjcPvgU WQNBdtPUffGem0oZ0JCaTeiekM3eNoMNmxnzk64z/i3/5gM4t2vujRuKn4A6IpS2PO9u7SzIy 5u/5mSCzzmNviyjOw+bOjGerreB4oFsyMs2uTrcGjnARLaVQC7uH9hHp+7U+i63goA103JtZM Hd2eyEUttSlKluW7X8CMgxc+jg42yCuyuhm9MwZ16H+USxrSZb3cJWWBH/sDvSTlVQrUinZyH xZf/HUUXW6LOlRac7GKnriFy/aWA1jezKWwDWwB68DuHPLz9JQ8hyqaZmfFmbOoiiqk35FXtH Qe9oLRoIreHNInnUqz5Lsg79QlUFgwwu86/+pr1b8WHOjP/hBzQ9IDfBbx3XvOPu+L9jUsSju GtRIKP1acQAvlHuK7NezEsDHLmi3UEgBoIFL0bNSKdcFKp3girlKJy3dZYifJ/c5pWbOuCoud Mj+HOVtFLZq2JMdz3/cCtcjLNemOUpb5wJ0ILV7+HreTuaUGLJYFwE79mz7Xgmwm/6TAQ4U8F LwFZRc57muIQzFTnwO2qWibNBcFk4mDNxmQtu8Sz6SuAxdNE0tFtxZn9aCQzhkYMBiRW0wAQB lhSQTbQGw3zDUc6J1p9YWFWB8j75tkoa1u8pSrJXWMhYhnGNkpT+Riw5f2S/p6wGRyBvQ83V7 k168MIM33qzSUitUCEzqrRatxFmjLuoq2adZIWK2Th1wnw/oRBWcLs+xsZsZ9+vbJD9dDsFHU r+676vC2sv+Lny1N+ydknltvKKM4deG0mXCIWBaHBihC342YSLXqhaidTs8= Subject: Re: [Bloat] geoff huston's take on BBR X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 05:09:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --roSThQkCz8gU6dvcTRyLLEMLwQ20iU1ev Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="a6A0yvXNVc4uk2NdIPG1F7kjXodZUdcjh"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthias Tafelmeier To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net, =?UTF-8?Q?Toke_H=c3=b8iland-J=c3=b8rgensen?= Message-ID: <7adae673-d701-6fe0-1d47-524320d38583@gmx.net> Subject: Re: [Bloat] geoff huston's take on BBR References: <87in6ohm30.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <87in6ohm30.fsf@toke.dk> --a6A0yvXNVc4uk2NdIPG1F7kjXodZUdcjh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2FF54596473EA78772DFFFFD" Content-Language: de-DE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2FF54596473EA78772DFFFFD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E8872593CB45240E2336F810" --------------E8872593CB45240E2336F810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/12/2018 02:42 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >> https://ripe76.ripe.net/presentations/10-2018-05-15-bbr.pdf > "More research needed". Naturally ;) > > (But yeah, good points overall) Interesting. Potentially, all affectuated. After having applied the BBR 2.0, we might are back to Cubic? :D Moreover, if it tends to be unstable on larger scale - what is Google doing then? Thought they've got a more or less homogeneous BBR driven TCP flow ecosystem - at least internally!? Was all propaganda? When speculating, might working for them since of centrally handled flow steering approaches - "imposing inter-flow fairness". --=20 Besten Gru=C3=9F Matthias Tafelmeier --------------E8872593CB45240E2336F810 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 06/12/2018 02:42 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote:
https://ripe76.ripe.net/presentations/10-2018-05-15-bbr.pdf

"More research needed". Naturally ;)

(But yeah, good points overall)

Interesting. Potentially, all affectuated. After having applied the BBR 2.0, we might are back to Cubic? :D

Moreover, if it tends to be unstable on larger scale - what is Google doing then? Thought they've got a more or less homogeneous BBR driven TCP flow ecosystem - at least internally!? Was all propaganda? When speculating, might working for them since of centrally handled flow steering approaches - "imposing inter-flow fairness".

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