From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFB9E3B2A4 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C275C00CC; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 10:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap48 ([10.202.2.98]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:22:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lochnair.net; h= cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1685888549; x=1685974949; bh=1T raBSmH9CoIGh6IUB/BB8mH/LhXPoM25QzVZ9J8oEE=; b=lo8ZbIut/N4d1j9oy3 j+06PoHX40zBKJFfro9ATkRq8Dbu6NyHOWjBtMS1H/4KTr4CqSoS1ZFKT3YJarQY W2QES5udQMWzMw4qA5vNEzRAM2ptZQI4AnjC36ueMhU8rVb37ad4OY0zVwdoyBKu E8cRTf8PrTmeVMQG+M6Qxu+8DyU6KCkwhCXV9kw+30Ska6fXTE2M6PQMmL+DIHZ1 SZk1pcYaD73pI9OVYoH/KMdKdHvCDyYPor+Ghjc90y1GYsXRbjrb161UIVakgHjj vsKTlFp/IezoEAmdXhTMELlS38GDUhc7OrxQ6qm8wiYazY6My+izo22iV+zid1sE Fmwg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1685888549; x=1685974949; bh=1TraBSmH9CoIG h6IUB/BB8mH/LhXPoM25QzVZ9J8oEE=; b=ZeVLETcbBQQqhhHZLCQGV35piOAyc rVQ0REoXiGcNmxn5oTyl1o9WLfHdSONyiWbl82KS4XgNSMDeACx30uCw80gMuU+u srirPl+H9JxZyaWLz1SfMfsFIHzjm6vgF55QX57uVhlNqJkIWHJMQVjNOrYQYsah EdnTTAp5yw6VRLwC4n6g5ZhhCRWDj3bjsrr2sQ4EPjBxl/s62AmOz8XqKU2ACNYp qe84xQoWgmi5dDvUULBMi7TRt2ktGyXHeFYZeGJOpdCB6qfPZwBF2jD95LiYxSWk /8x3BwNAbj4ek7O63xiDISp0IiIVRuS1q3cjZ44UikUi42n+MUQ+UsVzQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeeljedgjeeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvvefutgesrg dtreerreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdfpihhlshcutehnughrvggrshcuufhvvggvfdcuoehm vgeslhhotghhnhgrihhrrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefhleevleefveefgf ekffeihffhffelveeftdehkeduhfejvddtgfduieeuledtffenucffohhmrghinhepsghu fhhfvghrsghlohgrthdrnhgvthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmh epmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmvgeslhhotghhnhgrihhrrdhnvght X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i6a5b4305:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 198A431A0063; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 10:22:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-447-ge2460e13b3-fm-20230525.001-ge2460e13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7f8b3f52-c947-471b-9530-4adcba84cef2@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 16:22:07 +0200 From: "Nils Andreas Svee" To: "John D" Cc: bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=2d56d9b850924b81a4256c83a6599bcf Subject: Re: [Bloat] Dual WAN home router with decent SQM? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 14:22:31 -0000 --2d56d9b850924b81a4256c83a6599bcf Content-Type: text/plain The wizards for quick setup makes some assumptions about which ports is WAN/LAN IIRC, but you're free to use the ports for whatever purpose you wish So yes, all the models can be used with load balancing / failover Best Regards Nils On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, at 15:57, John D wrote: > I might be missing the very obvious but I'm struggling to see which ER models support multiple WAN when I look on their own website. Unless ALL ports support WAN... if the ER-X can do this already then that was what I was looking at on the router side anyway. > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 14:07 Nils Andreas Svee wrote: >> Hi >> >> The EdgeRouter line does have load balancing as well as SQM (htb + fq_codel), >> so one of those should cover your needs. >> >> Of note, CAKE is not built-in to the firmware if you care about it, >> but support can be compiled >> >> With your current bandwidth, I'd guess an EdgeRouter Lite would to weak, >> but the EdgeRouter X or more powerful would do the job well. >> >> Keep in mind though, that as far as I can tell, the EdgeMax line is basically on life support, >> and only receives some security fixes once in a blue moon. >> >> Mikrotik's RouterOS devices supports load balancing / failover and SQM I believe, >> so there might be an option for you there, but as I've never used them personally, >> I can't comment beyond that. >> >> Best Regards >> Nils >> >> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, at 10:48, John D via Bloat wrote: >> > I want to set up a new home router with SQM support to alleviate (mostly upload) bloat. >> > However I would also like dual ISP support, more for backup/failover than load sharing. >> > I can see affordable multi wan "load balancer" routers eg TP-link, and affordable SQM routers such as ubiquity Edgerouter, but I'm struggling to find a single device providing both. >> > Just after any advice on a) am I better having two separate components b) if so any suggestions which product/brand? >> > Two devices means more configuration but possibly more flexible and cheaper. >> > >> > My internet speed is looking to max out around 100/20mbps so I don't need Gbit performance. Thanks for any help. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bloat mailing list >> > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> > --2d56d9b850924b81a4256c83a6599bcf Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The wizards for= quick setup makes some assumptions about which ports is WAN/LAN IIRC, b= ut you're free to use the ports for whatever purpose you wish
<= div>
So yes, all the models can be used with load balancin= g / failover

Best Regards
Nils

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, at 15:57, John D wrote:<= br>
I might be missing the very obvious but I'm struggling to se= e which ER models support multiple WAN when I look on their own website.= Unless ALL ports support WAN... if the ER-X can do this already then th= at was what I was looking at on the router side anyway.
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 14:07 Nils Andreas Svee <me@lochnair.net> wrote:
Hi

The EdgeRouter line does have load balancing a= s well as SQM (htb + fq_codel),
so one of those should co= ver your needs.

Of note, CAKE is not buil= t-in to the firmware if you care about it,
but support ca= n be compiled

With your current bandwidt= h, I'd guess an EdgeRouter Lite would to weak,
but the Ed= geRouter X or more powerful would do the job well.

Keep in mind though, that as far as I can tell, the EdgeMax li= ne is basically on life support,
and only receives some s= ecurity fixes once in a blue moon.

Mikrot= ik's RouterOS devices supports load balancing / failover and SQM I belie= ve,
so there might be an option for you there, but as I'v= e never used them personally,
I can't comment beyond that= .

Best Regards
Nils

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, at 10:48, John D via Bloat= wrote:
> I want to set up a new home router with SQM = support to alleviate (mostly upload) bloat.
> However= I would also like dual ISP support, more for backup/failover than load = sharing.
> I can see affordable multi wan "load balan= cer" routers eg TP-link, and affordable SQM routers such as ubiquity Edg= erouter, but I'm struggling to find a single device providing both.
<= /div>
> Just after any advice on a) am I better having two separ= ate components b) if so any suggestions which product/brand?
> Two devices means more configuration but possibly more flexible= and cheaper.
>
> My internet speed= is looking to max out around 100/20mbps so I don't need Gbit performanc= e. Thanks for any help.
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