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From: Juliusz Chroboczek <Juliusz.Chroboczek@pps.jussieu.fr>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] First draft of complete "Bufferbloat And You" enclosed.
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:43:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ilj1qcnxs.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110205132305.GA29396@thyrsus.com> (Eric Raymond's message of "Sat, 5 Feb 2011 08:23:06 -0500")

> If too many cars try to use the road at once, bad things happen.  One
> of those bad things is cars running off the road and crashing. The
> Internet analog of this is called 'packet loss'. We want to hold it to
> a minimum.

I object to that, since it compares packet loss to a catastrophic
failure.  (I would personally argue against a car analogy in the first
place, but that's just stylistic preference.)

> Suppose your rule for when a car gets to leave the parking lot is the
> simplest possible: it fills up until it overflows, then cars are let
> out the downstream side as fast as they can go.

I'm not sure what kind of buffer you're trying to illustrate.  That's
certainly not how I understand tail-drop buffers.

Finally, I'd argue that you're being too harsh on QoS techniques.

--Juliusz

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-08 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-05 13:23 Eric Raymond
2011-02-05 13:42 ` Jim Gettys
2011-02-05 15:12   ` Dave Täht
2011-02-05 15:46 ` Dave Täht
2011-02-06 13:37   ` Eric Raymond
2011-02-05 17:56 ` richard
2011-02-05 19:48 ` richard
2011-02-05 22:12   ` Dave Täht
2011-02-06  1:29     ` richard
2011-02-06  2:35       ` Dave Täht
2011-02-06  2:50         ` richard
2011-02-08 15:17 ` Justin McCann
2011-02-08 18:18   ` Eric Raymond
2011-02-08 18:31     ` richard
2011-02-08 18:50     ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-02-09 15:50       ` Eric Raymond
2011-02-08 20:10     ` Sean Conner
2011-02-09  4:24     ` Justin McCann
2011-02-10 14:55       ` Jim Gettys
2011-02-10 17:50         ` Dave Täht
2011-02-08 19:43 ` Juliusz Chroboczek [this message]
2011-02-08 19:52   ` richard

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