From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB403B29D; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D502F38BE5; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 9XRNn1hUq8xl; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC02B38BE2; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1649958020; bh=ncXLoD6Wq7HZwNYrpjGqXwY21D9jL1RY/qPOWwNtpKk=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=kEE1Xc5Ff9Z8cWJvaKQXp6WoGHOWhb1tTKbqlWpW6BJ1jZYYd+NMPdcY/ttETkTpp JaTS9piqpgBTFIE8VjVg9xJe3s/Y//JiKWh31EqjXs55mVbycC6MPzsGOaQ3jTZwKM VxKj4pv7vH0OpEU7Joyff2VEcatYVp0oJn4arY10faRjFp1+IVFO7UrAx9XGtOKPtW I1mkAZ346b7GjoKhGbxzhQXvMjKOdd7rgwcYVPZhfyEAzEwRIkzjADRFoBpOYbaxPV e4dVPmO8r+5b8G02I+hpEV5ouryxvWSJnXYdggELfcGXBZBBfjpt36fI9wBLvyCH16 ccrW14T1zDWbg== Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECE338; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht , bloat , Rpm In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 27.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] broadband cost analysis X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:28:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Dave Taht wrote: > Looking at figure 7 (non-adoption rates by age group), nearly 30% of > those under 30 do not have fixed broadband. From an informal survey of > those I know in that age range, they are primarily dependent on their > cell phones, cannot live at a fixed address for long enough to adopt There is another group that live with roomates, and whose roomates control the broadband, either for reasons of distrust, or because of who is competent and who is not. I think that those groups could also really benefit from reductions in bufferbloat because they basically can't control what their roomates do. The "Fair" in FQ is pretty important. > fixed broadband solutions, and go to coffee shops and libraries (and > the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of curious as to the > trendline here - a cellphone is a must for this generation, quality > fixed internet merely a nice to have. In Canada, rates are sufficiently high until you get to unlimited tier that young people can not affort to stream video on their mobiles. The kids you see on the subway streaming continuously have rich parents with unlimited family plans. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFFBAEBCgAvFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmJYWbsRHG1jckBzYW5k ZWxtYW4uY2EACgkQgItw+93Q3WWtcAgAj+W183plIkWdzgGTQY7gYUfS5INEjCYk R3bEF0HIYLq8Z6dGegRlC64EXxB1qe22GzJP+0TKo8yFC1w6DvCsNhxq3CWFPEHg PCBOSMoLd5ZuwyUNMABbS0ImWikx5XDjMEsQVSmyhZhDRQaFTg5aHkCCefvwGuOX QXPAaGYvXOVqXODRx3e+TUCF0nKOzA/EEB8HlJ8XqIUDkNARarJopOguZl7qgdK6 N//Gn2ol2Ir17H4pah6YWU0ont3EcE+cLjELF1Ld/1zgJkZijaMgpgBh5TQBBnIa hKT3wD8RGuQiFUj1UmDYOb65Dez9o/EP9ar5rIdqW/LWCzrwWhuaRQ== =5V8k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--