From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from homiemail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (sub4.mail.dreamhost.com [69.163.253.135]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53B9B3B260 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from homiemail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07273A003A23; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from kmnimac.local (unknown [50.136.231.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nichols@pollere.net) by homiemail-a97.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E812A003A25; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:59:25 -0800 (PST) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: From: Kathleen Nichols Message-ID: <836b6c89-d7a0-49e1-e1b4-8e98b9263c1d@pollere.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 09:59:24 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] How to "sell" improvement X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:59:28 -0000 That's a good idea in general, but what are you measuring for your "actual performance"? Raw throughput? Goodput (which requires a bit of processing)? Then what about delay? On 11/28/16 9:41 AM, David Collier-Brown wrote: > Put the speed-test /into the router/, with a big red button to turn > fq_codel on and off. > > * The performance reporting graphs can then run on a browser page > for as long as you like, while you do other things, and go back to > the page and see what it's been like. * Have a line for "perfect" > performance, and anyone can see how close you're system is coming to > it. * Have a button for a synthetic load test, of some shortish > duration, and, * Put it on normal Linux hosts too, so you can test > end-to-end. > > > This has the advantage that it's code-first, so you don't have to > convince the uninterested, and from it you can write a small and > limited RFC to tell everyone else how you did it. > > As each new improvement comes along, actual performance slowly gets > closer and closer to the optimal performance line... > > --dave > > > On 28/11/16 10:21 AM, Jonathan Foulkes wrote: >> Thanks for the Introduction Rich, and thanks again to you and many >> others on this list for all your contributions over the years >> helping to combat bloat. >> >> This product was born of my own frustration with finding a way to >> help neighbors and family get a simple off-the-shelf solution that >> even non-technical users can deploy. >> >> I look forward to participating more actively on this list. >> >> Jonathan >> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Rich Brown >>> wrote: >>> >>> I have been exchanging a few emails with Jonathan Foulkes from >>> evenroute.com. He tells me that his company is installing OpenWrt >>> on a commercial, off the shelf (COTS) TP-Link router and selling >>> them on commercially. His "secret sauce" is an auto-update >>> facility and improved setup software, which includes a >>> rate-detection step that operates continually to adjust the >>> fq_codel parameters to the actual line rate. You can take a look >>> at IQrouter.com, or look them up on Amazon. >>> >>> This might be a solution to our current conundrum about not >>> having an easy solution that solves our family's networking >>> problem. I'm going to get one of these and try it out. >>> >>> He has been following our bufferbloat and make-fifi-fast work >>> closely, as well as the work on LEDE, which he'll consider once >>> it hits a stable point. I have invited him to join this list. >>> >>> Welcome, Jonathan. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > > -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify > System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest > davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain > > > > _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >