From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F4EA3B465; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8292002A; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFF66375A; Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: <8381.1460995710@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] USB3 or HDMI ethernet? - Are wires dead? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:08:31 -0000 Dave Taht wrote: > But it asks a question - if basic wifi-only + compute has fallen so > low, is ethernet dead? Every TV I've seen has both ethernet and wifi, I > have no idea what percentage of real users are setting up ethernet vs > wifi on them. (anyone?) Ethernet is not dead for the reasons that wifi is bloated. I know when my neighbours are watching their wifi "FIBE TV", because my wifi tends to die. (I think they do 802.11g without backoff to 802.11b) *My* "TV" (Wii, OUYA) are on wires for this reason. I consider jamming their AP... I suspect that apartment dwellers will begin to learn to use the wire. > What I sort of hope for is that your TV could become part of the > routing infrastructure in the house - *wired* - so you could attach > more devices to it that wouldn't need their own connections... I agree, it would be nice: the TV is big enough to put a pretty decent antenna inside, and it's in the place where the people and devices are. I personally didn't understand why TiVo didn't buy Skype ten years ago. TiVo had simultaneous MP4 encode and decode and network; all it needed was a USB camera on top of the TV, and it's a video phone. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [