From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CFD43B29E for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id p10so12957580ljn.1 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 07:38:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cN22jHhydMbnEFbe9Nfbdj+uW08fqJH1X5CbKyGcvMM=; b=E92pjDwbJYq6hIcCU+CP7h1HLG+GcOP48D4axxRs66GBXowd4/WU4HA74rWO3l/y0g TcXdYtbQB2xdCFJtLRKFBvWbLoTW7LK+t46EcxGUJxk8xc8QZ+bpd+atgeRzRdWAKkYA lf4X1oRGujB764GvzdTu7YBmiX/yZzkvWHBrweJYJUOkIBqEeozFUOzwNmgJw26aQ5LD VuibnnC/s9po12g0IGh3eK5lqlYCzPjRZi7j5LM8bHYiOBThB8g9YIZsnLuwrRCKKbou qTfb6fgO7XHRTogwGB5imUKMci/BM+AIMASgwUuFo5L4ePM0wRpt01G0PjxAKSHrEesX VnCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=cN22jHhydMbnEFbe9Nfbdj+uW08fqJH1X5CbKyGcvMM=; b=XxMq+wc5ajDmaCk7x39OzqzIrvcnadv4GQ7e3c8Gt95fSe8pprELnMro1la1IbKKxj f3nvDkKtSsRnipIgg/TcEgy/dKF0FIBp/rstLKpCZlD/VAKsakoQ09QQjCjmViU7glaN w19vPA1cPUoz00R5x/9KabrJYUdLKKRJ9zU1/Z/x+gt5UFZUijQqZkqzII10+S7S+HC4 KJhD6psRUCKMGeTUgc/ohH7y7vcuUnhoU38KfE7NBPD/UZXhv4HlOFy4hKHg7zOEQWBw 8ilYQvZRXI4a97sLBvnwUZaGrlh+jrK1+Zycyl2iy6xDTV8fTTcg+GlkSvVhAsoV/HJT gcxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZxSwDpl8U0B7KLbw+nWkjLH5Pbixjcc7gytPbcfnQYDeDOpn/v oWU97S4yt8FVcIISBcP31Tg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJCY2BVE7l6Ab9D7ON7ClkEULXLlxJYFczD0JAMU0lYtczBViCwVtE9BpdTm/1EDvUxgnS5xA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a312:: with SMTP id l18mr2326279lje.229.1585406308921; Sat, 28 Mar 2020 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-250-250-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.250.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b21sm4014979ljj.46.2020.03.28.07.38.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Mar 2020 07:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <0E492E75-A6AE-46A6-A92D-F6BDD6511AF4@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:38:26 +0200 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84A3A3ED-A796-444B-962E-8445EF0F45DC@gmail.com> References: <0E492E75-A6AE-46A6-A92D-F6BDD6511AF4@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] fcc's coronovirus guidelines X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:38:30 -0000 > On 28 Mar, 2020, at 4:30 pm, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > *) I wonder how well macos devices stack-up here, given that they = default to fq_codel (at least over wifi)? That might help if the wifi link is the bottleneck, *and* if not too = much buffering is done by the wifi hardware. Otherwise the benefit will = only be limited. AQM and/or FQ has to be applied at the bottleneck; = sometimes a bottleneck has to be artificially induced to implement that. - Jonathan Morton=