From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x22b.google.com (mail-lf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD1853B2A4; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 19:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id a13-v6so7125399lfk.12; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Lbj2dZ8O/ALB2tXTMF/CQf3lr/O758fKeqWLgncLzRI=; b=LTWFYbnfL0LvLqJsxQNhbvEbAzUcESGI99PlisoYrWaf0j1GyjqLUdOK+0r/h6Tb91 2XojNw1g424Xga5JoEalJ3eMFuG77KvYsDHvwgmyYBGoPQVX7xvE++Cfe1XfQX8ul6yx 2WprPlE0zxiLJ3jtuXsbgVPZ9EPYlN30mFxX/6UJS1W7oTLgKE/fmaEJ389MVI1UANxq 9OvR+H7vz1LwxAn/zNk4VYggZUgZ8nY85bF201EHN2hA9tVbd4Yd6D5Dwuaw5Muf5y8V zp3lmGAir/phkCaUaK9jSx7TTDIJ9MGu721RpAJplbX/J4qLd9JFV13hiKmWFIm9m9sk ZXCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Lbj2dZ8O/ALB2tXTMF/CQf3lr/O758fKeqWLgncLzRI=; b=NGw9mlhgrtQRG6EdS8WAk1eRIQtwkspCA7guI8KzbhIinxCXGru6uv97j8k7apieMV iEHsnsdRFMBrXOdiXntz9t2hJ3iWDq9njXUXymVLvDp/kS//QI+sX/IVkpeDgW70PLps 33N70IRWTYURnQnQ79DTaYZWM1dwsdLMDJ7IhDOx8Sdi93WJEUFLNcnS4G428JT1+/HQ 9/+AzKToPtHgr43UwZ7OdtsLj/i+ourXReLNcgeUj5Dfg56uMeL/ilpnvfhbBOIpqVNz N4JhXD0cAthnTruiOV9YUNl+ITrnXafpwL30rcMoiBDzKG5lyqMb+y7ejHpJpLbzw0RI c6hA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E37qHCg2XsONYtH9dS/cyfP5BiRzEe6Z4Nak/0f2IrfbXWvSqdq YxUr1DvmGzFivowZMM/T8qU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIxDdYf6nCptfv/s3Cd/ZY1DFTkH/RwqGhgPkA+VMAci84DWMjTfpvotxwnOP1+Os3osbozeA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:90c5:: with SMTP id o5-v6mr9109320ljg.15.1529363868693; Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.239.103] (83-245-233-202-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.233.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i67-v6sm2910394lji.49.2018.06.18.16.17.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Jonathan Morton X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <1529361825.80979395@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 02:17:46 +0300 Cc: Dave Taht , cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net, bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8546545A-B1C8-47D8-A822-46C77A2DD5C8@gmail.com> References: <1529339194.276412941@apps.rackspace.com> <1529361825.80979395@apps.rackspace.com> To: "dpreed@deepplum.com" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Invisibility of bufferbloat and its remedies X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 23:17:50 -0000 > On 19 Jun, 2018, at 1:43 am, dpreed@deepplum.com wrote: >=20 > So, no, the Network Neutrality people are NOT the problem with = Bufferbloat. No, but I think it's fair to point towards corporate greed and political = ignorance as common causes of both problems. - Jonathan Morton