From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x22f.google.com (mail-oi1-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 482EE3CB37 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 17:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-oi1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3c1a2f7e1d2so91255b6e.1 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:15:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708899352; x=1709504152; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:cc:date:message-id:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=LdsF7nuiov4OxBxpb+3HZBSZkryy1dIBhOthrZrdJNw=; b=CqvaAlPCEPuRGsLOaqrt2qvr1CgztF6kDBBNhvii+PLeROUx6phB2kkn+1qaHxp7rZ uJP1S/mbFe0kgjk+NJtSvEx2M85TN+/0PlWRGFSPgidsPSDoartJ9bdHgsyuJoL35j+O EcwMBNa5fiBVCT548pY/0r6PvGfPLBSZGCowS70xQsLkGdFfdLIhqOGcBMYoAz3Jln26 ND8mx5PBhycQpfYg66qE7ejbbbl/2suebEa1WcvbPvY/tqODn35c3n9h0Jfmf5zmh4f9 Vy9AOE97St+yb1hBIrnst+/EpW2lKvqxrgFCIEtUt2CBLQ174bBXXrjJysqkjtsBojDQ mpYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708899352; x=1709504152; h=to:cc:date:message-id:subject:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LdsF7nuiov4OxBxpb+3HZBSZkryy1dIBhOthrZrdJNw=; b=QvuW7piIecyIQNcU2nhKiJ0g+T7EvwGwdi2NjrGbyK5uHgJO/I6bmANZV01itwPNeP paRiDFrEvYAvOqX1GEttopE1Dpag/DFXB87MULsSR3UtJPxO0Ey2/JNsFPpZlAh5o3BG 2dH4UbzJ8tQA1GatmXiuXmbuFERKZ1upcBGUkQlLCiJNA9tdejScDuc5gIQ4byuSz7DK lvVLPoFpFyX7otRmmL092TGX3WVMOq/VE4RgLSa7A1/Uba6gJrhWyaN+0tvSei9GauzO D80gAlJAB6xyNfTxQ5vArOaU2scHXrVGXJlE9/FAXXF/KDjMkam5UAcIfv+KUPVTkagE l6tg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxZKMgruf0Y16J0OpnxD2+wVfFTQ7FO/2Gv0FEewJX+q09Or8zp HB8CgTmQQMw+YoXMLSbXZJ/lMN1RkyVMH76OXgrVKm7/ZG6bxQHQ9Vafqt2c X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEK9Uk40/FYRSNL1w6NW/dhpFcOTblfFq2IADWxP7cIbzE7lvQdKWfEEBNZ0QOV8jpNMhFtQg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1a1c:b0:3c1:4a40:f34 with SMTP id bk28-20020a0568081a1c00b003c14a400f34mr6227289oib.46.1708899352418; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.40]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id na3-20020a0562142d4300b0068fecdef142sm2097773qvb.130.2024.02.25.14.15.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Message-Id: <86B99DBB-251A-4185-8D35-E33A762BF7B0@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 17:15:51 -0500 Cc: Richard Brown To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: [Bloat] Disappointment on "Best Newcomer Router" front X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 22:15:53 -0000 For the last several years, I have responded on various boards to = complaints about bad latency with a happy-go-lucky "Or just try = OpenWrt!". [recent example: = https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1ay509v/comment/krx120h/?= context=3D3] I used to mention IQrouter, but that's no longer a = possibility. Not wanting to give hollow advice, I decided to gather information about = router models that support OpenWrt without much risk to a newcomer's:=20 - home/family network - free time - wallet My hope was to collect a few recommendations for units that might permit = a someone who was intrigued by our "Just try OpenWrt!" enthusiasm to = spend a few bucks and a few hours and see if it made things better. So I = threw this note over the wall to the OpenWrt forum: = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050=20 Along with two options (only available on eBay), I got back a whole lot = of unsatisfactory responses. (See = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-newcomer-router-2024/189050/21) But then thoughtful messages started arriving, discussing the state of = the world for modern OpenWrt routers, and why the firmware really isn't = as easy to install as one might wish, how capable routers aren't as = inexpensive as one might hope, etc. Am I right to despair? Are there no routers out there that we can = recommend in good faith that are easy to install, powerful enough (for = SQM) at ordinary speeds, and won't break the bank? Many thanks. Rich