Re: [Bloat] Router congestion, slow ping/ack times with kernel 5.4.60

["Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>]

"Thomas Rosenstein" <thomas.rosenstein@creamfinance.com> writes:

> On 4 Nov 2020, at 17:10, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
>> Thomas Rosenstein via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> writes:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm coming from the lartc mailing list, here's the original text:
>>>
>>> =====
>>>
>>> I have multiple routers which connect to multiple upstream providers, 
>>> I
>>> have noticed a high latency shift in icmp (and generally all 
>>> connection)
>>> if I run b2 upload-file --threads 40 (and I can reproduce this)
>>>
>>> What options do I have to analyze why this happens?
>>>
>>> General Info:
>>>
>>> Routers are connected between each other with 10G Mellanox Connect-X
>>> cards via 10G SPF+ DAC cables via a 10G Switch from fs.com
>>> Latency generally is around 0.18 ms between all routers (4).
>>> Throughput is 9.4 Gbit/s with 0 retransmissions when tested with 
>>> iperf3.
>>> 2 of the 4 routers are connected upstream with a 1G connection 
>>> (separate
>>> port, same network card)
>>> All routers have the full internet routing tables, i.e. 80k entries 
>>> for
>>> IPv6 and 830k entries for IPv4
>>> Conntrack is disabled (-j NOTRACK)
>>> Kernel 5.4.60 (custom)
>>> 2x Xeon X5670 @ 2.93 Ghz
>>> 96 GB RAM
>>> No Swap
>>> CentOs 7
>>>
>>> During high latency:
>>>
>>> Latency on routers which have the traffic flow increases to 12 - 20 
>>> ms,
>>> for all interfaces, moving of the stream (via bgp disable session) 
>>> moves
>>> also the high latency
>>> iperf3 performance plumets to 300 - 400 MBits
>>> CPU load (user / system) are around 0.1%
>>> Ram Usage is around 3 - 4 GB
>>> if_packets count is stable (around 8000 pkt/s more)
>>
>> I'm not sure I get you topology. Packets are going from where to 
>> where,
>> and what link is the bottleneck for the transfer you're doing? Are you
>> measuring the latency along the same path?
>>
>> Have you tried running 'mtr' to figure out which hop the latency is 
>> at?
>
> I tried to draw the topology, I hope this is okay and explains betters 
> what's happening:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15oAsxiNfsbjB9a855Q_dh6YvFZBDdY5I/view?usp=sharing

Ohh, right, you're pinging between two of the routers across a 10 Gbps
link with plenty of capacity to spare, and *that* goes up by two orders
of magnitude when you start the transfer, even though the transfer
itself is <1Gbps? Am I understanding you correctly now?

If so, this sounds more like a driver issue, or maybe something to do
with scheduling. Does it only happen with ICMP? You could try this tool
for a userspace UDP measurement:

https://github.com/heistp/irtt/

Also, what happens if you ping a host on the internet (*through* the
router instead of *to* it)?

And which version of the Connect-X cards are you using (or rather, which
driver? mlx4?)

> So it must be something in the kernel tacking on a delay, I could try to 
> do a bisect and build like 10 kernels :)

That may ultimately end up being necessary. However, when you say 'stock
kernel' you mean what CentOS ships, right? If so, that's not really a
3.10 kernel - the RHEL kernels (that centos is based on) are... somewhat
creative... about their versioning. So if you're switched to a vanilla
upstream kernel you may find bisecting difficult :/

How did you configure the new kernel? Did you start from scratch, or is
it based on the old centos config?

-Toke