From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2a0c:4d80:42:2001::664]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B03033B29E for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 05:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1582194199; bh=Nt47Def3RtKkJEe8vBMlUN+YRi8Xf8H4+GWaLVJk+NE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=YUNduVdOQQfFtoys76D65z3pbmtNSnjzsxEGR8CW6GaOWMTnK7fmgVuKTvIcG2YxG EQf2/h84TXqe/E+ogktta1YheWK6d/wAtLKn4GQi0/1EH/Giz4cqKwEXnpQvtXqBFS pxK3PdDPd48PlZ47zso5cg6vjWBJUA/TTTBhKRoE9i9DC+lxqzzIY+yoIZ1HQb9e4A MIJ7wLS8/qOJOtraTItxQHup/lMQTthBow4U9AK8t5U5rDDFw6sy6pQnnb5dDFZBfp 05bJgGkceO6HgRHYfFzSmMRsKE4sYJSJfHSKuz7Qx0qe0sTFiTf7Y5jYuaZI/s65U3 lr0pBFqa8Oqqg== To: Daniel Sterling , Michael Richardson Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: References: <19192.1581689899@dooku> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:23:19 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <871rqpwoa0.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Bloat] is extremely consistent low-latency for e.g. xbox possible on SoHo networks w/o manual configuration? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:23:23 -0000 Daniel Sterling writes: > Thanks to all for the input! > > Toke, Jonathan -- you were absolutely right! > > I sent this email because I -- I thought it inconceivable that "just" > setting a single bandwidth tunable could both: > * enforce / properly rate limit inbound and outbound traffic > * and, simultaneously, *prevent* non-bulk streams from seeing latency. > > I know, I know. You've been telling everyone who will listen that cake > works. I just couldn't wrap my head around that possibly being true -- > > But boy, I was wrong. cake is as amazing as you say. > > I got rid of my complex rules and swapped them out for: > > cake bandwidth 60Mbit besteffort internet nat ethernet > > Then I monitored my xbox game latency as I streamed videos, etc, to > generate bulk traffic. > > There was no observable latency or jitter, and I did not see any > issues during actual game-play either. > > Once again, I am truly amazed. Thank you to everyone who worked on > this impressive tool! This is great to hear! And thank you for providing some awesome "happy user" quotes! ;) > Ubuntu 19.10 finally ships with all the pieces in place (kernel, new > iproute2 package) -- so cake is now finally usable "out of the box" > for the average linux user. I look forward to telling everyone I know > to have some cake! Please do! We still have a few billion devices left to upgrade... -Toke