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* [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
@ 2019-02-04 16:55 Dave Taht
  2019-02-04 17:13 ` Jonathan Foulkes
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Dave Taht @ 2019-02-04 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bloat

I came very close to not being able to pay the linode bill for
bufferbloat.net today. I got nailed by a huge back bill that wiped me
out completely (and then some).

Anyway... the linode bill is $100/mo, and donations have fallen to
only $66/month. If you have a few spare bucks a month you can throw in
to keep the flent test network alive, please see:
https://www.patreon.com/dtaht

thx.

-- 

Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-205-9740

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* Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
  2019-02-04 16:55 [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net Dave Taht
@ 2019-02-04 17:13 ` Jonathan Foulkes
  2019-02-04 19:09   ` Dave Taht
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Foulkes @ 2019-02-04 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Taht; +Cc: bloat

Hi Dave, I just logged into Patreon and tried to set up a monthly donation, but I keep getting Internal server errors from their platform (tried different browsers as well), so heads up on that.

I’ll try again later today and tomorrow if needed. But you might need to send a reminder once whatever is going on there clears up.

Thanks again for all you do,

Jonathan

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I came very close to not being able to pay the linode bill for
> bufferbloat.net today. I got nailed by a huge back bill that wiped me
> out completely (and then some).
> 
> Anyway... the linode bill is $100/mo, and donations have fallen to
> only $66/month. If you have a few spare bucks a month you can throw in
> to keep the flent test network alive, please see:
> https://www.patreon.com/dtaht
> 
> thx.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Dave Täht
> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
> http://www.teklibre.com
> Tel: 1-831-205-9740
> _______________________________________________
> Bloat mailing list
> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat


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* Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
  2019-02-04 17:13 ` Jonathan Foulkes
@ 2019-02-04 19:09   ` Dave Taht
  2019-02-04 20:29     ` Dave Taht
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Dave Taht @ 2019-02-04 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jonathan Foulkes; +Cc: Dave Taht, bloat

Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com> writes:

> Hi Dave, I just logged into Patreon and tried to set up a monthly
> donation, but I keep getting Internal server errors from their
> platform (tried different browsers as well), so heads up on that.

It was because they were having problems that I checked the account.

> I’ll try again later today and tomorrow if needed. But you might need to send a reminder once whatever is going on there clears up.

$30 in donations showed up immediately. (thank you matthew and richard!)
$7 to go. :) I know it's a modest amount to have angst over but at this
point given my other debt obligations it's best to have zero net costs
here.

I do not like discussing my finances but I just got thwacked hard from a
direction I should have expected by now.

>
> Thanks again for all you do,

Well, I haven't been doing much of late. After two grants and a contract
fell through last july (seeing both openwrt and cake ship two weeks
later was bitterly ironic then), and I gave up the yurtlab
($1100/month), I did manage to retain a portion of the basement at the
site in exchange for some work (which included rolling out 18.06.1
across the lupin campus), and I can keep that going so long as I keep
that network up to date. There's a bit of room to work down there (~450
sq feet) and I hope whenever the make-wifi-fast patches land I'll be
able to do some QA and measurements.

I'd given up then and sought employment aug-dec only to discover that
nobody in the bay area wanted my C, queue theory, ietf, or project
management skills, and I otherwise was frightfully obsolete. I long ago
needed to pick up go or python or rust if I wanted to continue
programming or find a mgmt role that made sense. A friend of mine opened
a restuarant which had some appeal for a time!

The *best* rejection I got over the course of 6 interviews was:

"fq_codel saved my marriage... but you are a rocket scientist, and we
don't need rocket scientists just now."

It is long past time for me to seek a new business model and monthly
income sources. I started a new semi-paid P/T gig a while back (the
"ipv4 cleanup project" - https://github.com/dtaht/ipv4-cleanup ) which
is keeping me *literally* above water - I live full-time on the boat
now, which is a heck of a lot cheaper than any normal housing in the bay
area. Except: the "bufferboat" also has some desparately needed repairs
pending and it isn't the most productive office environment.

I haven't put in for any grants yet this year. I mostly think it's time
to move on and do something else. I'd like to get a floor under some
other people and participate in GSOC, though, at least.

I think I can pull out of this in a few weeks overall, it was just this
morning was bad, very bad.

>
> Jonathan
>
>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I came very close to not being able to pay the linode bill for
>> bufferbloat.net today. I got nailed by a huge back bill that wiped me
>> out completely (and then some).
>> 
>> Anyway... the linode bill is $100/mo, and donations have fallen to
>> only $66/month. If you have a few spare bucks a month you can throw in
>> to keep the flent test network alive, please see:
>> https://www.patreon.com/dtaht
>> 
>> thx.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Dave Täht
>> CTO, TekLibre, LLC
>> http://www.teklibre.com
>> Tel: 1-831-205-9740
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bloat mailing list
>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bloat mailing list
> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat

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* Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
  2019-02-04 19:09   ` Dave Taht
@ 2019-02-04 20:29     ` Dave Taht
  2019-02-04 22:03       ` Jonathan Foulkes
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Dave Taht @ 2019-02-04 20:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Taht; +Cc: bloat

And patreon is reporting "down for maintenance" as I write. While
we're doing ironic today, the other big grant we failed to get last
year was from the shuttleworth foundation - and that conf
call/interview took place during a 50 minute major internet-wide
outage ( http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/bufferbloat_on_the_backbone/ )
and I could barely hear or see the other participants (nor they, me).

anyway, I'm getting off my duff today to put in at least a grant
proposal to nlnet for getting the ns3 cake work done (under jonathan),
and another to maybe get babeld-dtls done (a vestige of the cerowrt
effort) with comcast... but still I'd kind of hoped that the fq_codel
for wifi work would have had every wifi, lte, and ethernet over
powerline vendor salivating to add it to their product soonest. I'm
really delighted by the penetration sqm and fq_codel and cake now
have, sad that we aren't seeing dsl ISPs in particular, mandating cake
and terribly disappointed by the early 5G results. Still... in 8 years
of operation we made a big difference in the internet and millions of
people now benefit in the OSX, IOS, Linux and freebsd worlds from an
AQM/FQ perspective and the world as a whole from all the wonderful
work done e2e with bql, pacing, bbr, etc. Perhaps, as Matt Mathis
said, 3 years ago "The tree is cut, it is falling", we need do no more
here.

Another irony today is GSOC expects a shiny logo to be part of the
application and we've never done that. Wish we'd done t-shirts and
coffee mugs at some point, also.

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* Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
  2019-02-04 20:29     ` Dave Taht
@ 2019-02-04 22:03       ` Jonathan Foulkes
  2019-02-05  8:48         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Foulkes @ 2019-02-04 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Dave Taht; +Cc: Dave Taht, bloat

Yes, the Irony is big on that.

If you want a logo, t-shirts and to spiff up the look and feel of the bufferbloat.net site, I’m happy to contribute a good graphic designer / web UI resource to the cause.

And while we are at it, we probably need a few more articles that are understandable by less technical audiences that clarify the relationship between latency and capacity. The artist can help illustrate any analogies, examples, etc. used in said articles.
One analogy I’m have her illustrate depicts an ambulance vs a Ferrari getting through traffic. The ’slower’ one has an advantage, it has traffic rules on its side ;-)

She’s also good at animations, so if you have a short sequence that clearly illustrates a key concept, we can try and get that produced.

We really need simple, mnemonic examples of why quick is better than fast.

Cheers,

Jonathan

> On Feb 4, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And patreon is reporting "down for maintenance" as I write. While
> we're doing ironic today, the other big grant we failed to get last
> year was from the shuttleworth foundation - and that conf
> call/interview took place during a 50 minute major internet-wide
> outage ( http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/bufferbloat_on_the_backbone/ )
> and I could barely hear or see the other participants (nor they, me).
> 
> anyway, I'm getting off my duff today to put in at least a grant
> proposal to nlnet for getting the ns3 cake work done (under jonathan),
> and another to maybe get babeld-dtls done (a vestige of the cerowrt
> effort) with comcast... but still I'd kind of hoped that the fq_codel
> for wifi work would have had every wifi, lte, and ethernet over
> powerline vendor salivating to add it to their product soonest. I'm
> really delighted by the penetration sqm and fq_codel and cake now
> have, sad that we aren't seeing dsl ISPs in particular, mandating cake
> and terribly disappointed by the early 5G results. Still... in 8 years
> of operation we made a big difference in the internet and millions of
> people now benefit in the OSX, IOS, Linux and freebsd worlds from an
> AQM/FQ perspective and the world as a whole from all the wonderful
> work done e2e with bql, pacing, bbr, etc. Perhaps, as Matt Mathis
> said, 3 years ago "The tree is cut, it is falling", we need do no more
> here.
> 
> Another irony today is GSOC expects a shiny logo to be part of the
> application and we've never done that. Wish we'd done t-shirts and
> coffee mugs at some point, also.
> _______________________________________________
> Bloat mailing list
> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat


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* Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
  2019-02-04 22:03       ` Jonathan Foulkes
@ 2019-02-05  8:48         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
  2019-02-05 13:45           ` Jonathan Foulkes
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2019-02-05  8:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jonathan Foulkes, Dave Taht; +Cc: bloat

Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com> writes:

> One analogy I’m have her illustrate depicts an ambulance vs a Ferrari
> getting through traffic. The ’slower’ one has an advantage, it has
> traffic rules on its side ;-)

The RITE project already did the F1 car vs bus in their video back in
2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1a-eMF9xdY

I like the ambulance analogy, though :)

-Toke

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* Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net
  2019-02-05  8:48         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
@ 2019-02-05 13:45           ` Jonathan Foulkes
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jonathan Foulkes @ 2019-02-05 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen; +Cc: Dave Taht, bloat

Thanks for sharing that Toke, it is a very good animated explainer. I’ll be linking to it in some of my FAQ’s and articles.

A key point of this video is to illustrate capacity with large vehicles, that move much content, but themselves do not have ‘quick’ transit, or round-trip times. That correlates nicely with the metrics for RTT and CWND in speedtests.

Examples focusing on ’top-speed’ of vehicles is missing a bit of the point that Internet ’speed’ metric is truly more about capacity rather than responsiveness. I’ll be re-thinking the use of those.

Cheers,

Jonathan

> On Feb 5, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com> writes:
> 
>> One analogy I’m have her illustrate depicts an ambulance vs a Ferrari
>> getting through traffic. The ’slower’ one has an advantage, it has
>> traffic rules on its side ;-)
> 
> The RITE project already did the F1 car vs bus in their video back in
> 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1a-eMF9xdY
> 
> I like the ambulance analogy, though :)
> 
> -Toke


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