From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE763B25E for ; Thu, 19 May 2016 05:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.17.3.79] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LgYuT-1bNrQe32Jh-00nyWl; Thu, 19 May 2016 11:03:49 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: moeller0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 11:03:44 +0200 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <873F9A0B-A0B6-44A6-A832-6CC35DAD5715@gmx.de> References: <011F8C60-0017-42F9-A5DD-0238274B938D@gmx.de> To: David Lang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:87DUPOpXqPiV+ZhkgGHdz38sDfM4JRsk3AN1JwkDfM0x0W5eJ0V y1+U+okOPYXw9JGzr0G4ropE+Ymz0MP8VBil+fV8PofOLvsCAblZhYKSpXu6+uzMyC1QkVf 0+5yje9/jBW8hOBKmEJN8Iue/dGHK5OXvu9n1JDj2INk+Rx1omx/yT9L7uEV0i6OYvlX5zm jbNgSc4goTkDeomRepZvg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ov1HGyWs2/E=:oBkrTps7DzLKOudZPZNuyw 6oK6zQ8h4X7TQSsiXIH9rzuGeZIg6ob9GkPniZFxAQggw8SoxSnPb0OfeJ2wxF3HeImgqpGPx 3JzkbHYUIGmMUZhemuwuObG9AaScLghjLxNMWZWv6PoQ09gCQE3bOdp9KgfA2Q+8iL+5Kg5K4 bcGFyvyExzlhFsctm/Xvwu3VW63AKHyWgATuO7PWK5wl+WkFvFFL4qixBrb74JQQkthdTzIs2 GJSQlXPdqUhxRokbh2vRSxVDAi3CbWhEQmWs/IrkyJlRFvaPAwNuSQz2Htsv0npTLY8nNZ/A0 tVyVNv9W80Je2M9nfKkLCbBSrdfa2I9Kj8Oca4ge9JUGOSaNl5xOlDWtjVWO5QHJb+rZO+J8Q J/hS/3+ml7EA31bKo3NbNrDTtd8W4LweklHJCbm52g2j0JnvpuCXRadQCmQpYpJ031IxsMxjW 8Cevun1ouOMAtd/tDaAdLDIaNGoO5f96smaLARQtjwsnFDwUtvRuOv9CkGh1PrDhb5HnTfn+K x1db4rbovBW3LGEvD4NbLqzVe3Jwrc2wRU6hUK2H0Cd+gz67UqlKledQSrrPsEIO6xi4RSQ0z Ca8ZbBo5BARPXLZmLLa3lQxtPxcqzx5yDC20MI7RFL1NuO6nfUyx/FgIlSprMScXEY0KcFueG LGhDoqtswf5h+JUHaQc9/z4GyIsasO07uLCS3ko962l8f1FBJF+PEeHlt5ok5QnX7En7F93Jz iaHxjP/xgnG85PQvOUvN6Z9kugkZC38onyNw30OUDbgpqRsB4+Uz+zHavACfieUZU0RHxY7JL lP49PIL Subject: Re: [Bloat] anyone have info on the netflix speed test (fast.com)? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 09:04:00 -0000 Hi David. > On May 19, 2016, at 10:50 , David Lang wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 19 May 2016, moeller0 wrote: >> [=E2=80=A6] >> This looks like marketing PR somehow inflicted the release of an = internal demo. I agree with jb the one thing it has going for it is a = short name=E2=80=A6 It does only one thing but does that a) badly and b) = arguably it only even does 1/2 thing as ingress and egress are simply = not completely independent. Arguing that Ping (RTT) and jitter are = =E2=80=9Cnetwork engineer=E2=80=99s analysis and diagnostic=E2=80=9D = tools and hence out of scope for their simple tool shows that they are = aiming to low (I would go as far as claiming that with the explaining = text the aim is still on the =E2=80=9Cown foot=E2=80=9D territory, but I = digress). >=20 > I guess one thing that it does is shows anyone who is targeting = netflix with slowdowns (or just not upgrading to meet capacity needs) = where the problem is. Mmmh, you are generous. In my eyes it does not even show this=20 >=20 > And since this is netflix, they really do only care about download = speed :-( >=20 > they should care about download speed while also doing an upload, to = prevent pauses. That is my point, you can and should try to simplify things but = you will reach a =E2=80=9Ccliff=E2=80=9D after that you are not = simplifying but =E2=80=9Cstupidifying=E2=80=9D (if there is such a = word); and the quest for one reportable number is deep in not-clever = territory in my eyes=E2=80=A6 (not that netflix should care about my = sentiments)=E2=80=A6 Best Regards >=20 > David Lang