From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.tohojo.dk (mail2.tohojo.dk [77.235.48.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91E523B2D1 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:14:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail2.tohojo.dk DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail2.tohojo.dk 3F96040A3A DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=201310; t=1466248468; bh=Yi8lHNa2nkMwCpd9JNvO4/gAbyr90KuokPSztVV5wBw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KUWN3kFLXn2H4BZZkTAsKeJX37bCHo2ByEh9RJFX+n8d8xCEYbW61yN/n9UNZYJOi bU4KhHIFLppQOGdGVCHCmO2bFjCTaGpOHoOgAujYvQyYMPGU/M1TNvS4CE4oKYUBZM RrbvDfj3yGQsIF+PHj/UIud75GWskWALklgTEgbY= Received: by alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 69D6278EBC7; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:14:27 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Jan Ceuleers Cc: Jonathan Morton , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <57650074.90106@gmail.com> <57652072.7020708@gmail.com> <5765248F.5000108@gmail.com> <87porevkfu.fsf@toke.dk> <57652B2C.6010209@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:14:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <57652B2C.6010209@gmail.com> (Jan Ceuleers's message of "Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:06:20 +0200") X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <874m8qvje4.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] ultrafast broadband conference june 27-30 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:14:30 -0000 Jan Ceuleers writes: > On 18/06/16 12:51, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: >> I know of at least one DSL vendor who supposedly has started paying >> attention after pressure from a clueful ISP; not idea if they started >> shipping non-bloated products yet. > > Got it. > > To get more ISPs interested in this subject we need to get Ookla to take > account of bufferbloat. So long as speedtest.net and the Ookla servers > many ISPs have in their labs ignore latency under load there will not be > any pressure on the CPE industry to clean up its act. Yup. Unfortunately we've had no luck thus far. https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest is an alternative speedtest that does include bufferbloat scores. -Toke