From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-32-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-242-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.242]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CD12E02E9 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-31-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-31-ewr.local [10.0.141.237]) by mail-32-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9010E6F7A5B for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 02:35:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 75.145.127.229 Received: from gw.co.teklibre.org (75-145-127-229-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.145.127.229]) by mail-32-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0897B6F6B99 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 02:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruithne.co.teklibre.org (unknown [IPv6:2002:4b91:7fe5:2:21c:25ff:fe80:46f9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cruithne.co.teklibre.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by gw.co.teklibre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DC9F5E91B for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by cruithne.co.teklibre.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2845E121B7D; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:35:32 -0700 (MST) From: d@taht.net (Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?=) To: richard Organization: Teklibre - http://www.teklibre.com References: <20110205132305.GA29396@thyrsus.com> <1296935338.12017.60.camel@amd.pacdat.net> <8739o2i115.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <1296955777.32487.42.camel@amd.pacdat.net> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:35:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1296955777.32487.42.camel@amd.pacdat.net> (richard@pacdat.net's message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:29:37 -0800") Message-ID: <877hddhouj.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] First draft of complete "Bufferbloat And You" enclosed. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:35:39 -0000 richard writes: > If you believe the telcos, it was (and still should be) as that was the > way things like T1s and T3s and ATM all worked. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.10/atm_pr.html On the self-similar nature of the internet debate, I'd like to see a paper on, until then, repeating this study sounds interesting: http://eeweb.poly.edu/el933/papers/Willinger.pdf The plots they have of traffic are rather different that what I've been seeing lately. -- Dave Taht http://nex-6.taht.net