From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 804D83B2A2 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 15:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.toke.dk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27D772DB; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:37:10 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1479933430; bh=FOX8asEXjpQpIP8w+b2P0ed35j3w6ZuENKHE/tQMKRU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=g7LMqONGUvJg2Y/kOVxDwIqYZkzuqtGyJO+ovOt3S5kOrABN0X+0PDhjFfrcU01RS WkwOSFgf+H+Z720lLa7S+q2FFtSZGT/Zhn/442ptDbQHyTK8pMQ2X2DzipHvoYn2hm f5KiVP9HoYpNF5UzypaZ1GMks81NXqho5mp4xA7NPSzuxt4amq+Y3RzkJ09/ifRQ4m gee7gND+dg751afGythdaLXhWH1cr+wFuby7yN1b9UJKPZoX3xBmVCJnyDClITv8pi gbnez2tkbi3gy7iTDRXGeb0SDVdFo3gXVTxeWalcXy66ljTf2OINexMJd4rzyFJHOj HEYcYH1wNce1g== Received: by alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DA68995A803; Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:37:03 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Jonathan Morton Cc: David Lang , Rich Brown , bloat References: <4BD9ED0C-9FF6-4A12-9F8C-76791BFA38E8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:37:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jonathan Morton's message of "Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:58:41 +0200") X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87d1hmrl00.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:37:13 -0000 Jonathan Morton writes: >> On 23 Nov, 2016, at 20:46, David Lang wrote: >>=20 >> Do you need a device that ships with the fixes in it from the factory? > > I think this is what we should aim for. That would greatly simplify > installation for Joe Average, and it could serve as an anchor point in > the wider industry. > > Ideally, it would have official mutual support with LEDE or OpenWRT, > so that updates to the latter automatically propagate. Even if it > takes a month between writing a patch and being sure it=E2=80=99s reached > end-users, that=E2=80=99s still a major improvement over the status quo. Well, this does actually exist now, in the Turris Omnia. The problem is the price tag, though... Who is going to pay =E2=82=AC300 for a router? -Toke