From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 268DC3B29E; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 10:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 48UElRUS008125; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:27 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F42A31FC; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:25 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=irif.fr; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date :received:received; s=dkim-irif; t=1727707645; x=1728571646; bh= 2SdWCEkrqNvmnnqCuzYnjb1NtaDtwdFRvGVDyxiWY00=; b=VIyANA70VCciKikd 2Kt+qdtNbUxLGJM+AlipK426RqUsTBQvuSAzxfgVHFYzKavnV5c0LmkhaUuZ1WA0 tc4Og6KIyaiWneBuCkaURYLj7z1gCpWe/KZctJXwCfNRaI5SsHDPFoE4p0lvuPNh Vh7inUcQVNR0tNx9/r2mphNdFIhm3Oo3CN0Ey71U5hnSYJto9fwSydOEbKu6Kk9Z HCCMXWT6YheznzTj9TsPUepq1t9AnPdCYZi3JEaxaroSUQmDDeTX4Y4o8F57agdi +bGO9J4+tRc2tVBbfY0ujskrNwmHknw6uxLCqmHwkkuSsk6if8l0BCv9vjSASx0x MamNUg== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id L3ovoi3xlGGu; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (31-178-17-127.dynamic.chello.pl [31.178.17.127]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED8C1A31FB; Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87ikuddwqu.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "David P. Reed" Cc: "Dave Taht" , Cake List , bloat In-Reply-To: <1727471439.369527853@apps.rackspace.com> References: <1727471439.369527853@apps.rackspace.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/29.4 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 66FAB9FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 66FAB9FF.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 66FAB9FF.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] bbr vs all the aqms, cake winning... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:47:33 -0000 > Similarly, there's more and more WebRTC traffic and RTP traffic I know you know that, but just to make sure the audience doesn't get the wrong idea: good implementations of WebRTC do perform congestion control. Unfortunately, the details depend on the implementation, and the details are not always published. > I know there are no research funds available, unless you can use [...] > some other "Generative AI" name in the title. That's not true. You can also say "quantum". -- Juliusz