From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2a0c:4d80:42:2001::664]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D94793B29E for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 05:23:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1599470597; bh=5gkqzl6l2//e9rx3iK26ZvtWLpKP95zLsX9xfcm/Ank=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Jvc9EwBGg9FUO4Bc5BMnHSUZHnid2NHlSsC0ssdbhIAEPudqggCVZVk4eIMV2llj5 O23jSYpA7ashJjRx+0+tKmCwdo83whrZ+89e3EpODeToUpGQvRXJH/4IzWb9gNLHjb F+y7aGVV+lKP4OQoJRT55TEi/RFTTijCiRrlPt0MMsxprU/kl43DqzyDMO+K5Kvff7 Fm0dQaglkFA3+8CDc0YDzpF8SmThIUcFL2Yt9ZHqF4jpY6/UEneB8ZefV+fY1/ycWo ov5rrU51aBjBY+z4JbOR/iCTOTYRyhr+Y92VZHBdjF1V9SKCUHfnXBQl7X9K9lx/pl 9htaOlSgCKf2A== To: dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com, Dave Taht , David Collier-Brown Cc: bloat In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 11:23:14 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87k0x6os8t.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Bloat] How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 09:23:22 -0000 Dave Collier-Brown writes: > LWN said OK, but I'm stuck on the search for a striking test, one that resonates with "grandma". > > My next two thoughts, probably for the current long weekend, is either > to call a loop-back number with Skype and/or ask Toke how he got "Big > Buck Bunny" to suffer dropouts. I'd love to use the latter, as it > aligns with the observation that this is a time when conference-call > failures are driving my colleagues to drink (;-)) I assume you're referring to the Dash data included in the Polify paper, right? :) Not sure if I ever got it to drop out completely; just did some measurements of which bitrate it picked, and the context was airtime prioritisation, not so much the latency improvements. But anyway, the tests just used the reference dash.js[0] player, with a logger addition that Flent can parse[1]. I don't recall what exactly is needed on the server side to run this, but I think it's basically just dropping the right Big Buck Bunny tarball on a web server along with dash-logger.js from the Flent sources :) -Toke [0] https://github.com/Dash-Industry-Forum/dash.js/wiki [1] https://github.com/tohojo/flent/commit/6b83896cc0df1d468577ef0f35abbab6dd025c3f