From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [52.28.52.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABCE43B2A4; Mon, 20 May 2019 08:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1558354212; bh=PMTjUc3112KmeLmsdcI5MXj4tULhw6sYOsGBqFeXO5k=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=AnxuinZQHk/SSzQqMFxbVIs2DrccFV7sKj/UZ0jskrAmhBF2ybxBULZltDkDQ8uTU f3AyM57/7bbWDriQGucbew7Mh3RWj/ahdJr0mjwl/P0cMmv1LEf8xHCpRtF/W57KLQ bzav5R/YO/qvIxLaYTk6GXOmW7a6RPRjbLs/Lbs49HFpK1bK+omGI3XCpBHQ5gpLjV fPyY5PfIfxTLlrksxxymiePGpB2AXkFrxg85QIXY51yX+PlM6kZC5mMP8PoaWX5wSL vlIH29wN7MfBKUEaqR3uy7j3rXOSJg7qtbD1vBt+HqdjGKD07opYvifFq5Z1LTkWfV uNSuoc+D9DqsQ== To: Dave Taht , Jonathan Foulkes Cc: Rich Brown , "David P. Reed" , cerowrt-devel , bloat In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:10:12 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87k1elxr6j.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Bloat] Internet Speed Measurement: Current Challenges and Future Recommendations X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 12:10:13 -0000 Dave Taht writes: > I keep hoping government will get it. My old department has been involved in a project in Sweden run by "The Internet Foundation" ("Internetstiftelsen")[0], to come up with a "definition of internet access". The intent is to standardise which metrics to use when advertising an internet connection, to make sure things are comparable between providers[1]. Crucially, this definition includes latency under load as one of the metrics to include. I don't think this definition has any legal standing as of yet; rather it's a preliminary study, and there's an ongoing project to get the definition adopted (which I don't know anything about). But the report does have quite an impressive list of participating organisations. See the press release here: https://www.netnod.se/news/netnod-and-internetstiftelsen-publish-version-1.0-of-the-definition-of-%C2%A0internet-access The press release is in English, and includes a link to the full report which is in Swedish. If anyone wants to try their luck at machine translation, the latency under load metrics are 8.10 and 8.12. The list of participating organisations is on the last page. Maybe this definition could be used as a model for other efforts internationally? -Toke [0] The non-profit that runs the .se toplevel domain, and does in general promotes the development of internet technologies. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internet_Foundation_in_Sweden [1] Unlike the US, in Sweden there is a functioning market for internet services, with healthy competition. In many places the services are run over publicly owned, or at least subsidised, infrastructure, much of it fibre.